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April 2019

Why the franchise will not have television series based on DC Extended Universe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.222.84.72 (talk) 16:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...that's a question perhaps for WB...?--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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there is an "on april 2019" = "in" month year) 2605:E000:9149:8300:51B:BBA8:9377:9822 (talk) 09:36, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done NiciVampireHeart 14:47, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Time to split?

This article is currently 246k bytes long. WP:SPLIT says that articles over 100k bytes should almost certainly be divided, and I'm sure most will agree that the Films and Future sections are bloating the article as-is. Any opposition to creating List of DC Extended Universe films at this point? JOE BRO 64 20:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is already basically a list of films. There's nothing much outside of that.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't supposed to just be a list though. As I've said before, it's supposed to be about the production, marketing, performance, and reception of the franchise as a whole, and the equivalent MCU page was much smaller when it was split. I do have a draft I've slowly been building to rewrite this page, as I've noticed it's missing a lot of important information (e.g. how Snyder conceived it as a standalone five-film series and tons of critical commentary). JOE BRO 64 21:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The MCU isn’t a fair comparison as it is a lot more than films. This is basically just films.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The MCU also has TV shows, such as Agents of Shield. Faromics (talk) 23:32, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The equivalent MCU page you quote is 300k bytes long. So what exactly is your point? -115.66.196.146 (talk) 04:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The page does not need to be split as the entire thing is essentially 6 films. Faromics (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely oppose this. The MCU has a variety of mediums of media by which installments are released. Also as noted by User:115.66.196.146 - that page as-is is already monstrous in size. This page, though a 'franchise/shared universe' is essentially a film series. Not at all necessary.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Have any of you even read WP:SPLIT? It makes it very clear that articles that are over 100k bytes should be split. It shouldn't matter if the majority of the article is the list; there'd still be plenty for a standalone article, especially if a reception/analysis section is added. It is going to be necessary, and it's better to do it now rather than later. JOE BRO 64 22:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've read it. Again no, it is not necessary. The MCU page (as-is) after various breaks is well over that 100k you refer to.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 03:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New Gods inclusion

I have repeatedly added this film to the 'in development' section as there are various reliable sources that state the film is a part of/an expansion on the unofficially named DCEU. The sources I have applied in the past are more recent/up-to-date than the original announcement of the project which stated there is no connective materials to other films, which simply stated means that the film will be standalone in nature to the rest of the franchise (for now). I would liken this approach to Guardians of the Galaxy to the MCU (when it first came out). Repeatedly removing the information with how much supports its validity is unfounded.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

the original announcement of the project which stated there is no connective materials to other films, which simply stated means that the film will be standalone in nature to the rest of the franchise.

That's the epitome of WP:SYNTH. The Deadline source (which is not outdated, especially considering how little we know about the project) is very clear in stating it has no connections to the DCEU. Also, your Guardians of the Galaxy example makes no sense. That was always intended to be part of the MCU. Since WB has multiple DC franchises planned we shouldn't add films here when it's ambiguous; we should add them to the respective character articles or to Draft:Untitled DC Comics film series. Stop edit warring to restore your revision when it's disputed, especially when your preference is based on SYNTH. JOE BRO 64 22:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoebro64:: No, you obviously misunderstood what I just said. Guardians of the Galaxy was always a part of the MCU - but the first film was standalone in nature (a.k.a.: not all interconnected with the other films). What I am stating in my comparison - is that the statement from Deadline simply says, verbatim: "There is no connection to the other DC worlds..." and then continues to talk about how Jack Kirby's comic arc was similar in nature. Nowhere in their announcement do they state that the film is not DCEU (fyi: source). Because of this, your assumption that the film is not DCEU is actually the perfect example of, what you called the "epitome of WP:SYNTH". Again, I re-state that because the Deadline comment says nothing about it being outside the DCEU, and because two very reliable sources - (i.e.: Variety and the Huffington Post) - reported that Ava DuVernay is directing a DCEU film: it is accurate, constructive, and not at all "based on SYNTH". New Gods belongs in the list of films in development, as - at this moment in time, and as far as we know per reliable sources - it is an installment/expansion within the DCEU.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 03:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't try to misrepresent what I said, because it won't work. You said that the Deadline source simply states that it's standalone in nature but still part of the DCEU, which is not true. It clearly says: "There is no connection to the other DC worlds being exploited for film right now by Warner Bros." You understand what that means? It means it's not connected to the DCEU. As I said, we can't add films here when it's ambiguous if they're in the DCEU or not, which it is here. The same thing goes with Blackhawk. JOE BRO 64 10:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, your argument that the Deadline source is old and therefore outdated is incorrect. The Variety source you added was published on the exact same day as the Deadline one, and the HP source (which is just citing the Variety one) was the day after. That only strengthens my argument that we shouldn't be listing it because it's ambiguous. JOE BRO 64 15:20, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoebro64: Again, you have misunderstood what I am saying. Nothing about the quote from Deadline states that it won't be in the DCEU. Tabloids following that news questioned whether it would be a part of the non-existent Joker-non-universe. What I am saying, is that Variety which is a reliable/constructive/accurate source, and Huffington Post - also a reliable source (regardless of whether they cited Variety or not), both have stated that it was DCEU. Neither of the sources that I provide, and that you provided state that New Gods won't be in the DCEU - that's an indisputable fact, my friend. "There is no connection to the other DC worlds..." doesn't state "this is not DCEU". In the examples Variety clearly broke the news that the film is DCEU. It belongs on this page. Cheers, mate.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Additional note: Even following your argument, that if Deadline had meant "DCEU" when they stated "There is no connection to the other DC worlds.." their quote continues: "...right now by Warner Bros". Their quote literally means (in your interpretation) - that they cannot report where it stands at that time. You then take Variety - who states simply that the film is DCEU. All that tells us is that though Deadline broke the news of the film, Variety is the one that exclusively broke news that it's a DCEU movie. So again, it still belongs here.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's some interesting original research there. Can you back that up with a source, as I have? I really don't see how you can't understand the Deadline quote is pretty clear it's not going to have shared universe connections. JOE BRO 64 00:15, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoebro64: LMFAO, man. There is zero WP:OR going on here. I have quoted your source, and quoted by sources. Yours merely says "there is no connection to the other DC worlds at this time"..... the emphasis here is 'at this time'. Then, Variety explicitly broke news that it is DCEU. You cannot pick and choose which reliable sources you listen to. Your source says nothing about the DCEU.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Batman disappeared since Suicide Squad?

"Since the events of Suicide Squad, Batman has disappeared, leaving Gotham City unprotected from crime, and Harley Quinn has left the Joker."

He appeared on Justice League, so that doesn't make any sense. Of course movies doesn't necessarily make sense, but I checked on those references and it doesn't corroborate it. I think it should be better to change "Since" by "After". --2620:0:1000:8010:C362:EA95:728E:8F0D (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]