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Notable already?

Her song "Sweet But Psycho" is #15 on the Swedish singles chart this week. I'll expand this article soon unless someone else does it first.--NØ 18:48, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Singles?

I found two songs on Max's channel Not Your Barbie Girl and Salt. However, no sources (reliable or unreliable) reported about them, and there's no way to currently determine if they were single or promotional singles so they are excluded from the discography section for now.--NØ 15:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Profound

This article notes that her parents are "Albanian immigrants from Albania." Where else?

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Change: "Amanda Ava Koci (born February 16, 1994) is an American singer of Kosovar descent, best known by her stage name Ava Max." To: "Amanda Ava Koci (born February 16, 1994) is an American singer of Albanian descent, best known by her stage name Ava Max."

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To: "Amanda Ava Koci (born February 16, 1994) is an American singer, best known by her stage name Ava Max."

There is no evidence that Ava Max is of Kosovar descent, and the previously cited article specifies that she is of Albanian descent: https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmusic/article/Ava-Max-Takes-Control-With-New-Single-My-Way-20180501 Dml407 (talk) 22:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Birth year

This is an unofficial request for comment. Should we go with 1993 or 1994 as the birth year? The closest thing to a reliable source that has reported on her birth is AllMusic and they went with 1994. The only reason I've reverted it back to 1993 is because people who kept changing it to 1994 did not cite a source. Discuss it here.--NØ 12:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Telegraph confirms she is 25.(1993 birth date)--NØ 08:06, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AllMusic is a poor source to rely upon.

What exactly does the Telegraph article say, as I can't access it? --Ronz (talk) 03:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AllMusic is the only source to give a full birthday I think, Telegraph just says she’s 25.—NØ 06:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched quite a bit now and haven't found anything that looks authoritative. I'm not finding anything from her (social media, interviews, etc.) that would help. It does look like 25 is correct from public records searches, but I didn't find anything that we can actually use as a reference. It may be best to leave it out until there are better references to use. --Ronz (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some references to capture said info. Tinton5 (talk) 03:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tinton5: Please explain clearly how the sources do so. I'm not finding verification for the year. --Ronz (talk) 03:50, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Footnote # 3, The Vanity Fair article clearly states 1994 as the year, if you scroll down a little less than halfway or so on that page. ([1]) The Twitter source provides the day she posted. Tinton5 (talk) 05:20, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for what I hope will bring an end to the edit-warring. --Ronz (talk) 05:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slippin ain't a single y'all

It was solely released on Soundcloud. Not available for purchase or on streaming platforms. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 23:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who originally added it as a single and I agree with you, it's not being promoted as a single or pushed on radio. But the problem is that three sources have called it a single, so its a Can't Dance/Real Friends type of situation where we will need Max or someone from Atlantic records to tweet that Slippin isn't a single, or at least that SBP is her second single. The funny thing is Can't Dance isn't a single either, but we're forced to label it as such because a writer at Idolator messed up and accidentally called it a single in one article.--NØ 12:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nowadays there's a very vague definition of 'single', sources seem to call any released track that isn't part of an album yet a single. Can't Dance and Real Friends got released digitally and on streaming platforms, whereas Slippin, only available on SoundCloud, is blatantly some track made available for free for the fans. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 13:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Koci not Koçi

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Please change "Amanda Ava Koçi, known professionally as Ava Max, is an American singer and songwriter." to "Amanda Ava Koci, known professionally as Ava Max, is an American singer and songwriter." because her legal last name is spelled "Koci" not "Koçi" Dml407 (talk) 00:08, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be correct from all the refs, so done. --Ronz (talk) 04:29, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Soundcloud releases

The random soundcloud “releases” I removed in the last 3 edits should not be added back unless Ava or a reliable source acknowledges them. A random leaker called ctrclub uploading them on Souncloud isn’t proof they’re actual releases by Ava.—NØ 17:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ava acknowledged one of those songs titled "Satellite" in early March. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdYCS4ylaJY&feature=youtu.be — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.123.239.88 (talk) 06:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC) Satellite was also found on the producers website, embedded in a soundcloud widget. The 2013 version of Take Away the Pain can also be found embedded on the site. http://www.fritzjerey.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.123.239.88 (talk) 06:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I’m afraid we would need more reliable sources than websites of struggling producers who may be trying to promote themselves by posting fake Ava demos on their websites. If there’s no proof that these songs were officially released, then they have no business being mentioned on a Wikipedia article.—NØ 07:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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How long has Ava been active?

The "Career" section goes back to 2013 and states that Ava released a song titled "Take Away the Pain" in that year, and that it was remixed by Project 46 two years later. However, the infobox inconsistently states she has been active since 2008 and cites two sources. One is a MySpace page titled Amanda Kay Music and the other is a video uploaded by a YouTube channel titled Ava Koci with the cover art of the aforementioned "Take Away the Pain" as its profile picture in 2009 and featuring a girl covering "Halo" by Beyoncé.

How can we be sure she and Ava are the same person? Firstly, Ava has never mentioned this AFAIK. Secondly, the video quality is somewhat grainy to the point where the girl's face is barely visible, but from what we can see she bears little resemblance to Ava, as does the girl on the "Take Away the Pain" cover art. She could very well be Ava, but there's also a chance she's a completely different person with a similar name. The only evidence I have that they're the same person is that the description of the video states she was a sophomore in high school at the time of filming (Ava was 15 when the video was uploaded). What do you think?--Vaporgaze (talk) 18:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We should accurately note 2013 as the beginning of her professional music career. Uploading a cover on YouTube, which was recorded in her living room, isn’t relevant to her career as a studio recording artist.—N Ø 18:20, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I have edited the infobox so it states she has been active since 2013 rather than 2008, but I still haven't seen any evidence that the Ava who recorded "Take Away the Pain" and Ava Max are the same person.--Vaporgaze (talk) 11:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]