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Merger of episodes
Nearly all episode articles are filled with plot and trivial information, and no production and reception. Some (maybe all) episodes were tagged for lack of quality and notability last year, but many of these tags have been removed without improvements to the articles. I do realize that some reviews exist for several episodes and that thus notability could be claimed, but none of this changes that the articles are nothing more than plot and data dumps and should be stubbified. When this is done (the stubbification), the articles may as well be merged into a new List of VeggieTales episodes, with no prejudice against recreation if someone actually wants to improve them. Are there any volunteers to "save" the articles through improvement (check any episode article at Wikipedia:GA#Television_episodes to get an idea)? I'd merge the ep articles in a few weeks otherwise. – sgeureka t•c 22:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think your proposal to merge the episodes in a single List of VeggieTales episodes sounds like a good solution. — CactusWriter | needles 16:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree. There's a lot of content about each episode in most pages and I think they are fine separated as they are now. NeonFire (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- As I said, for nearly all of the pages, this "a lot of content" consists of plot and trivial information (which needs to be trimmed and/or removed), and no production and reception. I got a prelimary List of VeggieTales episodes with all merged episodes, where I left the song names in, as they may have some encyclopedic relevance. It's still at 130 kB, and more trimming is necessary per WP:NOT#PLOT/WP:WAF ("Wikipedia treats fiction in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the reception, impact, and significance of notable works. A concise plot summary is appropriate as part of the larger coverage of a fictional work.") Since there was no improvement whatsoever in the past 2.5 months since the initial merge proposal (plus the year with no improvement before), and because this merge proposal isn't getting much attention in the first place (no-one seems to care about these articles), it is unlikely that the issues will get fixed in the future either, so I am going to redirect the episodes to the List of episodes soon (unless improvement is noticible). – sgeureka t•c 13:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree. There's a lot of content about each episode in most pages and I think they are fine separated as they are now. NeonFire (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, info on individual episodes should be limited to concise summaries and the episodes should direct to this episode list rather than having their own articles. Tripleahg (talk) 08:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Review links that aren't used yet
- http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/pre2000/rvu-veg3.html
- http://www.veggietalesreview.com/2008/02/15/veggietales-are-you-my-neighbor/
- http://www1.epinions.com/kifm-review-2422-3BBA1F2-38906DEC-prod5
– sgeureka t•c 14:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
What is this page's purpose
Not to be completely negative, but I'm wondering what the point of this page is. Most of the listing have barely more info than what is on the main VeggieTales page and all the videos have their own page with LOTS more info. So this is like an in-between step and I'm not sure it's needed. My suggestion is that we either scrap the entire page or delete the stubs from the main page so that this page has a purpose. Thoughts? Ckruschke (talk) 15:46, 8 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke
Inclusion of ″The Wonderful World of Auto-Tainment″
This list does not include the above title. I thought perhaps that since it is somewhat different than the rest (no distinct silly song, no over-riding moral lesson) that it may not be considered one of the canonical epsisodes. However, I was just watching ″The Wonderful Wizard of Ha′s″ and Bob commented that it was their twenty-seventh show. Currently, this list shows this to be the twenty-sixth, meaning that one is missing from the list. ″Auto-Tainment″ is the only show missing from the list that is not a compilation show, so it deserves to be in. Unless I see a comment to the negative, I will add it within a few days. 24.52.254.232 (talk) 22:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hey - GREAT catch! There has been alot of changes on this particular page in the last 6 months with the creation of the List of VeggieTales compilation videos page, but I have to admit I completely missed that this video had disappeared. Luckily I found the original text from last September and I copied/pasted it back in. Much thanks! Ckruschke (talk) 17:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
- It's gone again! Does someone hate "Auto-Tainment" this much? 24.52.254.232 (talk) 05:30, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- Added back in. Ckruschke (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke
- Gone again, disappeared in an unexplained revert. I re-reverted. Tripleahg (talk) 08:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- Gone yet again. Was removed in some merge (below) without an explanation. Added my own plot description in. 98.29.128.206 (talk) 20:42, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I guess "Very Silly Songs", "The End of Silliness" and "The Ultimate Silly Song Countdown" are more of main VeggieTales episodes.2601:1C2:1701:5066:D869:EB53:5388:12B1 (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
- Actually these are compilation videos and not standalone videos at all and are found here. Ckruschke (talk) 14:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Ckruschke
- Well, I guess "Very Silly Songs", "The End of Silliness" and "The Ultimate Silly Song Countdown" are more of main VeggieTales episodes.2601:1C2:1701:5066:D869:EB53:5388:12B1 (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, even though they're compilation specials, I still consider them to be actual episodes.2601:1C2:1701:5066:BD2B:627B:BF53:7578 (talk) 05:03, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Trivia
"Letter: Ross from Newark, NJ" "Verse: Matthew 10:34 'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.'"
The summaries here are meant to be short recaps of the info from the main article. Information that does not belong in the main episode article, certainly does not belong here.
Yes, someone from somewhere sent a letter. This information is trivial and tells us absolutely nothing about the show. Imagine two people discussing this show: "Oh yeah, I remember that one, that was the one with the letter from Ross in Newark."
Yes, the show intends to teach a lesson and quotes from the Bible. The show is for children who might talk about when Mom Asparagus caught Wally giving Junior a haircut. They are not going to remember (or care) that the episode quotes the Bible's prohibition against trimming the corners.
This "information" is likely true, but it is clearly trivial. - SummerPhD (talk) 12:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Agreed. Unless there is some context from media analysts, reporters, critics to put these tidbits into perspective for us, they seem like randomly placed information better suited for a fansite, or Wikia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Whether or not they're trivia, currently the layout of the article has the silly song, letter, and Bible verse listed for most episodes, which is why I re-added the info. Let's keep the article consistent- either removing that info from each episode or keeping the info for the episodes where it was just added. Also, I'm in favor of collapsing most of the main episode articles into this larger article. There has been discussion about that in the past but no one volunteered to spearhead the effort. The articles for individual episodes tend to be extremely short as there is very little encyclopedia-worthy info about each. Is anyone against this? Is anyone willing to help? Tripleahg (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I am in favor of removing the trivia tid-bits. That's easy enough. Any objections before we do it?
- I am also in favor of killing off the perma-stubs for the individual episodes: I don't see independent reliable sources discussing individual episodes. They are mostly just plot summaries. As for who does it: Not it! - SummerPhD (talk) 01:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Whether or not they're trivia, currently the layout of the article has the silly song, letter, and Bible verse listed for most episodes, which is why I re-added the info. Let's keep the article consistent- either removing that info from each episode or keeping the info for the episodes where it was just added. Also, I'm in favor of collapsing most of the main episode articles into this larger article. There has been discussion about that in the past but no one volunteered to spearhead the effort. The articles for individual episodes tend to be extremely short as there is very little encyclopedia-worthy info about each. Is anyone against this? Is anyone willing to help? Tripleahg (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Where's God When We're S-Swamped? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- God Wants You to Merge Them!?! - SummerPhD (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- I can do it, but I'm busy with work and family things so it will be very slow. I'm fairly new to WP so I'll need some guidance but I can do the legwork. In the meantime I vote to keep the silly song and verse for each episode, since I think those would rightfully belong in an episode article, but I don't see a point to having the letter information. What info should be kept? Long plot summaries aren't going to stay, obviously, but can someone point me toward guidelines? Would it be permissible to do this in table format with episode name, release info, topic, Bible verse, and maybe some song information? If not table format I'll plan on at least using a standard format for each episode subtopic. Tripleahg (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- OK I looked at some guidelines and here's what I came up with, for columns in a table:
- Title
- Theme
- Directed by
- Written by
- Starring ([cast] as [characters])
- Edited by
- Original release date
- Subsequent release dates of note
- Other
- 100-200 word plot summary followed by Bible verse
- This leaves out some info including narrator, animation director, running time, production company, music by, format of release (DVD/VHS). But it's based on Template:Episode list and on the info that episode articles are supposed to include, and I think it may work. It doesn't include reception or production information and those are basically unavailable for individual episodes so I think it's ok not to have them. Tripleahg (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- OK I looked at some guidelines and here's what I came up with, for columns in a table:
- I can do it, but I'm busy with work and family things so it will be very slow. I'm fairly new to WP so I'll need some guidance but I can do the legwork. In the meantime I vote to keep the silly song and verse for each episode, since I think those would rightfully belong in an episode article, but I don't see a point to having the letter information. What info should be kept? Long plot summaries aren't going to stay, obviously, but can someone point me toward guidelines? Would it be permissible to do this in table format with episode name, release info, topic, Bible verse, and maybe some song information? If not table format I'll plan on at least using a standard format for each episode subtopic. Tripleahg (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- God Wants You to Merge Them!?! - SummerPhD (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Where's God When We're S-Swamped? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I've gone through and removed the "letters" sections which I think we've all agreed are trivial. Next up: "silly songs". Any comments before these go? - SummerPhD (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- I've only got one comment: Get rid of them. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
- A rather harsh opinion about "silly songs"... Works for me. Anyone else? - SummerPhD (talk) 03:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
- Go for it. Did anyone have any thoughts on the table idea or columns list? I'm extremely busy at work for the next few weeks but this is still on my radar. Tripleahg (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm a bit unclear on where the "theme" would come from (we have zero independent sources for this kind of thing). I'm not sure what "other" would be, other than a dumping ground for finsite-style trivia. I also don't think the "verse" belongs, which is my next point.
- Go for it. Did anyone have any thoughts on the table idea or columns list? I'm extremely busy at work for the next few weeks but this is still on my radar. Tripleahg (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- A rather harsh opinion about "silly songs"... Works for me. Anyone else? - SummerPhD (talk) 03:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
We've removed the letters and silly songs as material that independent sources would not discuss (Which one had the letter from Robert in Camden, NJ? Which one had "Pizza Angel"?). IMO, the "verse" similarly is not discussed (Which one uses Matthew 10:34-35?). Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 19:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Theme is interpretive, and would only invite OR. Don't know that "Edited by" is worth including. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- No thoughts on the "verse"? - SummerPhD (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- I would prefer to see the Bible verse presented in the context of the episode summaries. "...but after reading John 8:32b "The truth will set you free", Larry-Boy is able to defeat Fib the alien, by attacking him with a series of truths" or something. Random verses without context have no encyclopedic value to the casual reader who knows nothing about the series, like me. I think this falls into the "We're not writing encyclopedia articles for fans of the series, we're writing them for laypeople" category. If there's no context, then random verses aren't helpful and should probably be cut. It would be nice to see some people who are familiar with the series help incorporate the verses into synopses, but most of the people I see editing VT articles are vandals. Well, minus you and me, of course. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Date vandal(s)
We have a recurring problem with unsourced/unexplained and seemingly random date changes in various kids' media (TV and movies, mostly) articles. The edits are always IPs, no sources, no edit summary, ignores talk page requests, etc. The IPs seem to move all over the freaking planet. Various VeggieTales articles are common targets.
As talk doesn't work and blocking dynamic IPs is pointless, we've started trying semi-protection on some articles. One expired two days ago and the article was hit again today.
To help limit the problem, I am going to start the merge discussed above. I will be copying most of the info in the current articles, but leaving out the dates. I will research release dates from scratch. I will revert any/all unsourced changes to/additions of dates.
This effort is related to, but not a part of, the work above. We will still need to decide what information to keep and what to trim. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- I wonder if anyone's ever done a mass semi-protection on all articles related to X topic. I had to individually ask all 4 or 5 Adventures of Gumball-related articles to be protected in the past, and it's a pain. You wind up with articles that have staggered protection expirations. This page expires in 60 days, this one in 24, this one in 13... Would be nice for an admin just to adopt VeggieTales and handle it. Just a thought. In the interim, I think we should be vicious about unsourced, unexplained numerical changes. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- We're still early in the merge, but it seems to
vandalsdisruptive editors trying to edit the merged articles seem to be coming here. If they re-create the merged articles without discussion, long term protection is usually easy to get. This should mean that we will have far fewer articles to watch/defend. If the same number of edits to the other articles end up piled here, we will have a much easier time justifying longer term semi-protection here. It might be a bit messy until we get there. Life is like that. - In the highly unlikely event that my brilliant plan doesn't work out 100% as expected, I will peacefully accept a pay cut. - Tefkasp (The Editor Formerly Known as SummerPhD) (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm behind this all the way. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:38, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- We're still early in the merge, but it seems to
On-going merge
As part of the on-going merge (discussed above), I have just added "The Toy That Saved Christmas (1996)". Unfortunately, the "Cast" section was entirely in-universe ("Steely Becker Cucumber as the battery-powered toy") rather than providing the voice cast names. I've left the section blank at the moment. If anyone feels the sudden urge to fill in the section, my undying love and admiration would be magnified by the citation of a source for this oft-manged info. If not, I'll get to it when I get to it. - Tefkasp (The Editor Formerly Known as SummerPhD) (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Done I added an intro sentence just so I had something to attach a reference to. If you think it's clunky and have a better idea for how to incorporate the ref, feel free to remove it. There were no characters listed, only actor names. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:53, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, I'm about halfway done. A few notes:
- There are disagreements between the individual articles and what we have here. A few disagree on date of release (as expected, we'll need to source these). A number of them disagree on order and ranking (the 25th one released is said to be the 19th and such). I imagine we might need to reorder them. We should probably remove the years from the section headings.
- Many of the sections included statements that various details or entire episodes are references/parodies of various other stories. These trivial details are unsourced and, um, trivial. I'm leaving them out.
- Lots of titles and nouns are capitalized for no discernible reason. "Eagle" is not a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalized mid-sentence.
- Many of the plot sections are overly detailed and littered with original research. What an event in the plot "shows"/"proves"/"teaches"/etc. does not belong here.
- The cast sections are a mess. In addition to the problems with "Richard the Pineapple as Native Who Must Be Forced to Convert" (as cast sections comprised entirely of such in-universe stuff), we have the on-going disputes of the sourced voice cast names vs. "gee, I know what their names really are" editors. I'm thinking the voice cast info mightbe best left to List of VeggieTales characters which -- you guessed it -- is a horrid mess.
- In some cases, there are bits of material I am unsure of: is "Guard Philbert" merely a guard named Philbert (this "guard Philbert" or "Philbert the guard") or is he addressed as "Guard Philbert" (making it, in effect, a proper noun)? Do the videos spell out that the stories are rewrites of biblical stories, or is that someones guess? In such cases, I make my best guess. Anyone who feels like correcting these, feel free. However, due to the high level of disruptive editing these articles have seen in the past, be prepared to use edit summaries and cite sources.
While I doubt that most editors "working" on these articles are reading any of this, I generally will give brief edit summaries with reverts saying "see talk". Editors ignoring talk page discussions cannot reasonably say they had no way of knowing. - SummerPhDv2.0 13:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with everything. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Unless there are other opinions, what we will have is release dates (which will need sources) and brief plot summaries (some need heavy trimming) here. Cast info will be at List of VeggieTales characters. This will leave "Plot" as the only subheadings, meaning we can safely scrap that heading for a much more concise table of contents. Comments? - SummerPhDv2.0 23:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- I realize I'm a johnny-come-lately and I've been away from Wiki for a couple years, but I have to say I don't agree at all with deleting the mostly-fully developed pages and putting in small thumb-nail sketches for each movie here. That's going backwards and really undoes alot of work that I and other editors have done over the years to try and IMPROVE the individual video pages. Also it clutters up this page with long and unnecessary plot sketches. Seems like if we just restore the original individual video pages and cut down the plot sketches to the 1-2 para that were original here we solve the problem you discuss above on this page and then this would allow us to improve the other pages. Ckruschke (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
- The pages were merged for several reasons:
- 1) The individual titles were not individually notable. We do not generally have individual pages for individual episodes of various TV shows. While the video release nature of much of the VeggieTales stuff is a bit different, it was felt that the material would be better handled with one page.
- 2) There is little coverage of the individual titles in independent reliable sources. Yes, we could create individual pages with material drawn from the videos themselves. As a rule, though, Wikipedia is focused on reporting what independent sources have to say about a topic (rather than simple plot summaries and cast lists).
- 3) The individual pages were in horrible shape, due to extensive vandalism and ... um ... whatever that was. In addition to poorly written (if heartfelt) edits by youngsters intending to add what the shows meant to them, there was a constant barrage of unsourced, unexplained changes to dates. By corralling the material, we seem to have nearly eliminated this problem. - SummerPhDv2.0 21:22, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- SummerPhD - thanks for the reply. If what you are saying is true, clearly these pages went downhill fast after I went on hiatus for a year...
- My main problem with your stated reasoning is there was nothing to "create" - the pages were already there. Even if there were some pages that were bad, and I'm not saying that there weren't - I'm only one person trying to hold back the flood, deciding to wipe ALL of them simply because of bad examples is a poor reason. I realize that you and Cyphoidbomb were the only ones who commented on this thread so I'm not saying it was a poor decision with respect to who was watching the page at the time. I'm just wondering what the comment will be in a year or two when someone comes on and we are all gone and the question is "These plot sketches are too long - why don't we created individual video pages?" I'm just saying I think that by comparing it to an episodic show and saying "they don't have individual pages" is short-sighted. An example of what I'm talking about is Barbie (film series) where the videos have thumbnail plot sketches on the main page and then individual pages for each of the videos. I don't know if the page is a good example of adhering to Wiki req's, that's not really my expertise, but its an example. Yours - Ckruschke (talk) 19:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
- Barbie in the Nutcracker is not a strong example of a good article since it almost certainly fails notability (I haven't checked, but I'm really good at guessing) and it provides little in the way of real-world context, (information about casting, problems with production, unique marketing methods, budget, gross, etc) which is what we expect in articles about TV or film subjects. Articles that are little more than summaries and cast lists are pretty humdrum, since we already have a vital resource for that sort of stuff: IMDb. Also, as Summer notes, the vandalism was pervasive in the tape-specific articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. Although I don't agree with your overall stance, I'm not going to get in an argument. I do agree that rolling back vandalism across all the Big Idea pages was a full-time job - something that I was constantly doing. I'm never a fan of wholesale deletion. I always look to add ref's to a page rather than to remove content that may be salvageable. That being said, at this point, what's done is done and I know we can work together to keep these pages clean and improve their content. Yours - Ckruschke (talk) 17:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
- Barbie in the Nutcracker is not a strong example of a good article since it almost certainly fails notability (I haven't checked, but I'm really good at guessing) and it provides little in the way of real-world context, (information about casting, problems with production, unique marketing methods, budget, gross, etc) which is what we expect in articles about TV or film subjects. Articles that are little more than summaries and cast lists are pretty humdrum, since we already have a vital resource for that sort of stuff: IMDb. Also, as Summer notes, the vandalism was pervasive in the tape-specific articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
- I realize I'm a johnny-come-lately and I've been away from Wiki for a couple years, but I have to say I don't agree at all with deleting the mostly-fully developed pages and putting in small thumb-nail sketches for each movie here. That's going backwards and really undoes alot of work that I and other editors have done over the years to try and IMPROVE the individual video pages. Also it clutters up this page with long and unnecessary plot sketches. Seems like if we just restore the original individual video pages and cut down the plot sketches to the 1-2 para that were original here we solve the problem you discuss above on this page and then this would allow us to improve the other pages. Ckruschke (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
Cast lists
As the cast lists have been problematic in the past and are repetitive, the existing consensus (small though it is -- above) was to leave the cast info to List of VeggieTales characters. If there are other opinions on this, please discuss them.
A side issue here was to leave off the "Plot" headings, as they added nothing to the article. Thanks. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, shoot. I think I forgot all that. Please change back to the preferred version. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Sources
While this article certainly needs independent reliable sources, www.veggietalesreview.com seems to be, essentially, a blog. As a result, we really cannot use it here. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:42, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Seems reasonable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Silly Song Videos
This page should only be for the actual episodes, not the silly song videos. They are included on List of VeggieTales compilation videos. If you are wanting to show what songs are included, that can be added to List of VeggieTales compilation videos. Aiorocks101 (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- The silly song videos, IMO, are different from those listed at List of VeggieTales compilation videos. Yes, they largely recycle existing material. However, they are individually released titles. Those listed at List of VeggieTales compilation videos seem to be repackagings of existing videos. This is similar to what is done with feature films: Throw together three Tom Hanks films in one box and call it the "Tom Hanks Collection". Typically, this kind of packaging doesn't warrant more than a mention in another article, if that, unless there are substantial differences between the original releases and the packaged sets that attracted discussion in independent reliable sources. Other thoughts? - SummerPhDv2.0 16:13, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- The silly song videos are listed on the Song compilations section of List of VeggieTales compilation videos. While the three listed on List of VeggieTales Episodes do have new animation in between the songs, this is just to make it seem new and exciting. Most of the video is songs from previous episodes. These are repackagings of existing songs like you said "repackagings of existing videos". They are not the same as regular episodes, and should not be treated as such. Aiorocks101 (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
- IMO, a song compilation is different enough to merit an entry here, while the groupings of other videos together do not merit a separate article. That said, let's wait for other opinions. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is a discussion that's been had previously (I've been watching this page for six years, but only get on sporadically). This page is only for ORIGINAL videos and the videos with repackaged material is specifically found on the VeggieTales Compilation page. For that reason, I'm going to delete the song videos off this page. Obviously the content on this page is a little more than what's found on the compilation page so if someone wants to copy the silly song info off the history page and into the compilation page that would work. Ckruschke (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
- IMO, a song compilation is different enough to merit an entry here, while the groupings of other videos together do not merit a separate article. That said, let's wait for other opinions. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- The silly song videos are listed on the Song compilations section of List of VeggieTales compilation videos. While the three listed on List of VeggieTales Episodes do have new animation in between the songs, this is just to make it seem new and exciting. Most of the video is songs from previous episodes. These are repackagings of existing songs like you said "repackagings of existing videos". They are not the same as regular episodes, and should not be treated as such. Aiorocks101 (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Why was the List of VeggieTales Videos page changed to a redirect to this Episodes page
As anyone who has any knowledge of VeggieTales, they were released on video and then some of these videos have been on TV. Therefore, VeggieTales doesn't have episodes. So I'm wondering why the original page was renamed and the Videos page created as a redirect. Since the editor who did it has a non-existent account, I'm about to undo this as it goes against the core of what VeggieTales is - a collection of direct-to-video releases. Ckruschke (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
- FYI - this has been put on this page (requests#Requests to revert undiscussed moves) for speedy move back to the original, correct name. Ckruschke (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Ckruschke
Merger being undone
A user is now creating separate articles for the episodes again. I am concerned this will lead to the same problems that led to the merger in the first place. The new articles have a very large amount of trivia and have questionable notability on their own. I think we need to discuss this as a group before any more work is done with making new articles for episodes. Tripleahg (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- I agree that the splits are not needed. The changes appear to be by a sock of a blocked editor. see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wattsj528. Meters (talk) 22:39, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- One of the articles is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Where's S-Scared? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:18, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Tripleahg: On top of that, the articles appear to have been copied and pasted from a Wikia site. I speedied all of the articles under WP:CSD G12 for that reason. ElectricBurst(Electron firings)(Zaps) 00:22, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- Not to be a voice in the wilderness, but I didn't agree with getting rid of the individual episode pages in the first place. I was working through them to properly source the material, cleaning up the WP:OR, trivia, and other stuff, and keeping the anon editors from adding on, so the wholesale deleting of these pages was a pretty extreme solution to a minor issue in my view. However, what is done is done, but if the discussion comes up again, I'd be happy to converse about it. Ckruschke (talk) 17:49, 1 November 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke
Pizza Angel
The Silly Song "Pizza Angel" came from the video Minnesota Cuke and the Search for Samson's Hairbrush.2601:1C2:1701:5066:B196:281:986D:6A6F (talk) 01:22, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
- Ok. And? Ckruschke (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke
Pirates (Fib) and Yodeling (Weed)
I think those are just for the prototype VHS versions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:1400:4426:89D5:1386:E5EA:83DA (talk) 22:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
VeggieTales is not episodic
Reverted the introduction of episodic gates for the VeggieTales Videos again. VeggieTales videos have never been episodic and hand-jamming the videos into arbitrary time periods simply to make them episodic is worse. Please stop. I kept the subject headings, but now you have to edit the whole section to edit one video which is very cumbersome. Would have rather done a mass revert, but this would have undone too many individual (and possibly positive edits). Ckruschke (talk) 12:24, 9 May 2019 (UTC)Ckruschke
Favorite Stories
Walter Görlitzz, are you sure "Madame Blueberry" was featured in "Larry's Favorite Stories!"?
- Also, the "Bob's Favorite Stories" is just a fake release. 2601:1C2:1400:4426:9464:C0B6:12F1:A5FA (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- A fan site lists it as these three videos - Larry-Boy and the Rumor Weed, The End of Silliness?, and King George and the Ducky. Can't find the actual release. Ckruschke (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)CKruschke
But it's a real thing! Have you not even noticed the pictures of the tape? 2601:1C2:1400:4426:AC6E:15E2:F2EA:2B60 (talk) 20:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey Guys!
I noticed the episodes "God Made You Special" and "Lessons From the Sock Drawer" have finally been included, as they are re-packaged episodes with new animation. However, similar episodes such as "God Loves You Very Much" "Larry Learns to Listen" "Bob Lends a Helping Hand" "Happy Together" "Silly Little Thing Called Love" "Little Guys Can Do Big Things Too," etc... were not included. If there is indeed no reason why those were not included, could we try to write those in?
Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finn06 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Inclusion of "God Loves You Very Much" "Larry Learns to Listen" "Bob Lends a Helping Hand" etc..
Hey Guys!
I noticed the episodes "God Made You Special" and "Lessons From the Sock Drawer" have finally been included, as they are re-packaged episodes with new animation. However, similar episodes such as "God Loves You Very Much" "Larry Learns to Listen" "Bob Lends a Helping Hand" "Happy Together" "Silly Little Thing Called Love" "Little Guys Can Do Big Things Too," etc... were not included. If there is indeed no reason why those were not included, could we try to write those in?
Thank You!
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