Talk:Avicii

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Avicii in 2014

This picture from 2014 should stay in his infobox because it's more recent, shows more colour, is a proper portrait of him and the imagery is more balanced. Please feel free to discuss. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I completely agree with the above statement. The first two points aren't as important as the latter two. The former two are also present in this photo and are added bonuses. The second attempted replacement was better than the first, but honestly I see no reason to use anything other than this in the infobox. I would not oppose having the others in the article somewhere. dannymusiceditor ^oops 19:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

"Need U" song by Tobu, dedicated to Avicii (April 2018)

Hello,

I found this song "Need U" by Toms Burkovskis (Riga, Latvia), stage name: Tobu, it is dedicated to Avicii here is the YouTube information:

I'm heartbroken, I won't ever believe that Tim is gone so soon, yet I know that we'll always be connected somehow and his music will live forever. He was [an] inspiration to millions of people. He was someone I looked up to, and I started to make music only because of Tim. I recorded this song [a] couple months ago and it felt right to dedicate it to my hero - Avicii ◢◤ I'm thankful for everything you've done!
— Tobu, Need U song's description, YouTube, Published: 22 April 2018

Any feedback on what section this song's information should be positioned at within the article?
--In popular culture--
--External links--
Sources:
Sound Cloud
ID-News
Tobu channel; YouTube

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources
Thanks,
--Vwanweb (talk) 10:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

This shouldn't be introduced into the article unless there are sources indicating that it's particularly notable. Lots of artists create "tribute" work when celebrities die, but only quite notable examples should be on Wikipedia. --Laser brain (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vwanweb: I saw your request on the IRC help channel and it seemed that you were trying to argue the the Tobu-based sources were somehow sufficient to establish that Tobu's tribute to Avicii was sufficiently notable to add to the Avicii article. Several editors have tried to explain to you that they are not. Tobu's tribute would have to have been written about in some independent outlet for it to have a chance to be added the Avicii article; it would have to hold it up as a particularly noteworthy tribute. When you find such a reference, we'll be happy to discuss this again. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Cause of Death: Unproven

Hello

I can't help that bring up that the original source of Avicii (Tim Bergling), committing suicide by self-inflicted cuts from a broken wine bottle, was originally posted by TMZ. See source link below. But considering TMZ has been known for years as being an unreliable news source, and have been accused on many occasions of stretching the truth for profit.

I am requesting that the incorrect detail be removed from the article. It is spreading false information, especially as it's the first cause of death that comes up when he is Google searched. It has never been proven, as details of his death were never officially released. Either by his family, or his representatives. And that 'Suicide' was implied in the statement released by his family. Although it has now been confirmed that he did in fact commit suicide. Following a discussion with 'Olga Heijins', manager of Laidback Luke, who was personal friends with Avicii.

I would edit it myself, but the page is protected.

I am again requesting this detail be removed from the article.

Thank you

Source Link to TMZ article: http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/01/avicii-dj-suicide-glass-cut-bottle-death/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:5C24:6D00:749A:1F1E:CB6B:5DC6 (talk) 00:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree and will remove. Acebulf (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Piggy backing on this, would anyone consider replace any references of the phrase "committed suicide" with "died by suicide"? Resirek (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Substance Abuse

Did Avicii do any drug besides the legal drug alcohol? Spannerjam (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Open Letter From Family (under Death)

I think someone should mention that the letter was originally in Swedish, and what is shown on this article was a translation. Some of the language is very clunky in English, so I think that is an important piece of context. I would make the edit, but the article is protected.

Maybe "On 26 April, his family released an open letter stating:" could become --> "On 26 April, his family released an open letter, translated from Swedish as follows:"

And since I'm on the subject of the translation, I think "avoided the spotlight" would be more appropriate as the translation of "skydde rampljuset" (rather than "shunned the spotlight"). But I am not a Swedish native, maybe someone else can confirm. Brick6900 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Method of suicide

Sources including TMZ claim Avicii committed suicide by cutting himself with a wine bottle. So can it be changed to suicide by self-harm instead of just suicide so people will know how he died? Michael14375 (talk) 10:39, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Is this level of detail necessary? It seems gratuitous to me so I would be against this change. --Jwslubbock (talk) 14:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how gratuitous it is, the cause of death section needs to have more detail. Michael14375 (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Committed suicide / died from suicide

There's currently a template over the wording 'he committed suicide in Oman' saying 'do not change this to 'died from suicide' because this is unnecessarily PC and WP:EUPHEMISM'. This seems quite wrong to me. The Samaritans suggest that the wording 'committed suicide' is wrong, judgemental and indicates that suicide is a crime. 'Died from suicide' is no more a euphemism than 'committed suicide', and I would argue that the reference to this policy is meaningless in this context. I'd like to request consensus from other editors, rather than getting into an edit war on this point. The change in wording is minor, but would be sensitive to the subject and to other people who may be affected by suicide. I welcome feedback from others on this suggested change of wording. --Jwslubbock (talk) 14:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I think it is more appropriate to say "committed suicide" as it is more commonly used in English in news articles. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:20, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree. "Committed suicide" is the ordinary English idiom. It does not now carry any implication of criminality. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:10, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Cause of death

User:Michael14375 continues to add to the infobox that the cause of death was "Suicide by self-inflicted injuries from broken glass". Several editors have removed this, so the input of others would be appreciated. "Self-harm" and "self-inflicted injuries" are not the same, as self-harm is not intended to cause death (the self-harm article states "suicide is not the intention of self-harm"). If the cause of death was indeed "self-harm" which accidentally led to his death, then a reliable source is needed to support this. Previous discussions about this are at User talk:Michael14375#Original research (with User:Pinkbeast) and User talk:Magnolia677/Archive 18#Avicii. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I continue to agree with the above; the suicide here was not "self-harm". I do not see that it could be; if the injuries were self-harm (and we would need a source to that effect), the death was an accident. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I think Michael is misunderstanding that self-harm and suicide are different in ways of accidental nature or lack thereof; I think his primary objective was him trying to expand the cause of death. Am I correct? And second, is the latter action even okay? I think it's unnecessary bloating, but what do you guys think? dannymusiceditor ^oops 22:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree, I think suicide is sufficient for the infobox and any details can be put in the death section. Also self-harm is not the same as suicide. One can accident kill yourself from suicide but suicide as far as I'm aware is intentionally killing yourself where as the result of self-harm is not to rnd in one's death. Mn1548 (talk) 15:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Vargas & Lagola; an associated act?

Vargas & Lagola should be listed as an associated of Avicii. A debate started on my talk page (click to read)

My argument in summary:

I think it should be included as in recent years Vargas & Lagola have been one of Avicii main collaborators - collaborating on eight song. Such a fact should not need to be referred in the infobox as no other associated acts are as the fact that they are associated acts is referenced through the article and on the pages of songs they have collaborated.

Would like other editors opinions. Thankyou. Mn1548 (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

What Magnolia677 told you there is true here; you need cites, not excuses as to why you don't need cites, and if you want to put this in it is your job to find those cites, not to point to other Wikipedia pages where they might be. Pinkbeast (talk) 04:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Here! A multitude of references testifying to the collaborations. Now are you or anyone finally going to answer my question of where these references should be put as the certainly do not go in the infobox. The point I was making that people avoided responding to is that the infobox in most Wikipedia articles is a summary of the article with things being referenced in the main article and summarised there. No other artist is referenced in the associated act section because "multiple collaborations" required multiple references which would clog up the infobox. A few years ago when Avici 01 came out, that section was updated to account for the new collaborations so unless someone has removed the references since the update list was updated without any reference or used my argument of it is already referenced thoughout the article which it is. So why is this now a problem when Tim has come out when Vargas & Lagola were arguably an associated act before their collaborations for this album were announced anyway? Mn1548 (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

"Vargas & Lagola" were mentioned nowhere in the article, but were then added as an associated act. Naturally they were deleted. How can we have an associated act that in not even mentioned in the article? Now we find out that several of Vargas & Lagola's songs are mentioned in the article (just not the names of Vargas & Lagola). Probably the easiest way to fix this is for an editor to someplace add that those songs were performed by Vargas & Lagola (with a source of course). Magnolia677 (talk) 14:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Of course it is fine to put cites in the infobox (using a bit of discretion as to how many) if that is where they are needed - for example, in this case where the body of the article doesn't mention V&L at all. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Well can one such reference I have provided be used as they are an associated act? Mn1548 (talk) 19:43, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Stylizations

I think that the stylization of his name (ΛVICII) should be added into the article, because many other articles about singers/songwriters have the stylization of their name listed. WowSoCool112 (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)