Talk:DC Extended Universe

The Trench

Why was the information for The Trench removed from the In Development section? It was announced like all of the other films there, has writers attached, and has even been spoken about by both James Wan and Peter Safran. FaceOffTournament (talk) 05:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I noticed this as well. I re-added the film a while back.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:44, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Man of Steel 2, Green Lantern Corps and Justice League (Reboot) in the future table

J.J. Abrams signed a millionaire contract with Warner Bros to join to the DCEU. An this are the films that he is going to do with his company. The Man of Steel sequel, the Green Lantern Corps films and the Reboot of the Justice League.They don′t have realese date. but the films ar confirmed by DC & Warner. And Geoff Johns is working on the Green Lantern Corps script.Elmisterioso1979 (talk) 21:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Are you sure? I took a look and it seems like they're nothing more than rumors. We also don't add films to the future table unless they have a confirmed release date. JOEBRO64 21:17, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Nothing has been reported about Abrams joining a DC project, just speculation that he may. Johns was hired to write GLC in June 2018. Prefall 21:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, these are rumors. There are no confirmations nor reliable reports of those films being made. Green Lantern is listed in the 'In development' section as it has been in varying stages since the start of the DCEU. The only films that go into the 'Future' table are the ones with release dates.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

The Batman vs. New Gods

Recently there was a discussion regarding whether New Gods is in the DCEU. I personally found it a bit ridiculous to single it out and exclude all of its information simply because there was no concrete confirmation that it takes place in the DCEU, although there's no reason to think it won't be. Not to mention, there are other films listed here that haven't explicitly been said to be in the universe either. But fine, I'll accept that. But I have to ask: By that logic, why is The Batman's information still included? That film has had more evidence that it won't be in the DCEU since Matt Reeves joined the project, especially with today's news of Jeffrey Wright in talks to play Commissioner Gordon, yet it remains on this page. What's up with that? FaceOffTournament (talk) 22:58, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Uh, Reeves explicitly said The Batman is going to take place in the DCEU. The only sources I've seen that state it won't be DCEU are unreliable and can't be used. JOEBRO64 23:07, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah, touche. Although that was in 2017 and since then he's made choices that contradict those statements. But yeah, those tweets are reason enough to keep The Batman here for now. Thanks, Joe! New Gods should absolutely be on this page, though! FaceOffTournament (talk) 01:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Just came across an interview with Reeves right before finishing the script, and he said The Batman will still be connected to the DCEU. Also, just because Gordon was recast doesn't mean it's not in the same continuity; by that logic, Batman Forever wouldn't be a sequel to the first two films because Val Kilmer and Tommy Lee Jones replaced Michael Keaton and Billy Dee Williams. JOEBRO64 17:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: But this page doesn't consider The Batman as a DCEU film.--Dipralb (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

So? The movie hasn't started production yet. And that's Wikipedia, not a secondary reliable source. JOEBRO64 23:42, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@TheJoebro64: I know. But I think there should be consistency.--Dipralb (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dipralb: Agreed. There's no consistency with what people on this page decide to include. Like I said originally, New Gods is excluded just because there was no explicit statement that it'll be in the DCEU, even though the Blue Beetle film, the Lobo film, the Plastic Man film, and the Supergirl film don't have any "explicit" confirmation either. My point is that there's more reason to believe all of these films will be in the DCEU than there isn't (and there's a weird apparent bias against New Gods), whereas there's more reason to believe the opposite for The Batman. FaceOffTournament (talk) 13:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@FaceOffTournament: Agreed.--Dipralb (talk) 13:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

The Deadline article announcing New Gods says "There is no connection to the other DC worlds being exploited for film right now by Warner Bros"—which means it's not DCEU. JOEBRO64 14:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

That does not specifically mean it's not in the DCEU, that's your personal takeaway from the quote. That could refer to the fact it takes place off-world or that its characters have their own story separate from the Justice League characters. We don't know. FaceOffTournament (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

The Variety Article confirms that New Gods will be in the DCEU: https://variety.com/2018/film/news/ava-duvernay-superhero-movie-new-gods-dc-1202725043/ One of the writers of the script has liked tweets asking if the film will continue what we saw of the Fourth World in Justice League. There is more evidence that New Gods will be in the DCEU than there is to the contrary.Popfox3 (talk) 20:03, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I know of the Variety article, which is more reason why we should exclude it—it's not clear it's a DCEU film since we have reliable sources reporting different things. And writers liking tweets is not any sort of confirmation; that's pure WP:OR. JOEBRO64 20:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

With all the recasting and the fact that the latest Joker movie was a standalone, I think we should take The Batman off this page unless this film is confirmed by Warner to exist in the same universe. At this point, it would not be possible for this version of Batman to exist alongside the other characters, and he is even considered disappeared in Birds of Prey. Just saying.

--Julian1Seguin8 (talk) 03:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8

Cast in The Suicide Squad

There are a number of edits that have been done within the sub-section titled as such. The edits have removed members of the cast, that were released by the writer/director. The editors' statements have repeatedly been that in paragraph sections we only list 'notable/main cast'. The issue with this however, is that none of the cast's roles have been named. Because of this - there is no way to discern which roles are 'notable'/main cast. Because of this, to remove cast members based off of this decision is categorically WP:OR. We cannot make decisions for studios/films/articles from our own drawn conclusions.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

1. They're notable because they're bluelinked. That's literally how notability works on Wikipedia. You're completely misapplying OR here.

2. We shouldn't be listing every single actor who's been added to the film here. That's for the Suicide Squad article. This article is supposed to include brief overviews, not monotonous proseline of actors and the roles they're playing.

3. Repeatedly reverting multiple editors to your own preferred revision is disruptive editing and a sign of WP:OWN.

JOEBRO64 18:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

In Development section

Honestly, I feel the "In Development" section should be scrapped entirely. It seems Warner Bros is just throwing ideas out to see what will stick. With the exception of Wonder Woman 3 and possibly The Trench, I don't see any of those movies getting made given very little movement has been reported on most of them in quite a while, and reading that section is too confusing. IF WB comes out and announces a film has entered the filming stage and has a release date, then add it back in. 75.170.250.46 (talk) 12:25, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

They aren't just "ideas", the "films in development" section covers projects which have creatives working on them but no set release date. JOEBRO64 20:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

20 "films in development," seriously. Personally, I don't believe a film is happening unless I see filming (or pre-production at least) has started and there's a semi-firm release date attached. Doesn't mean all of them will see the silver screen, and they're still ideas because WB doesn't have a firm plan. Deathstroke, Green Lantern Corps, Cyborg? No movement on those. Pointless to have an in development section when almost none of those are likely to materialize. 75.170.250.46 (talk) 01:09, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

That's just your opinion. These films are in development, so they should be listed whether you like it or not. JOEBRO64 19:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

While it's obvious most of these films will not happen, they haven't been confirmed to be dead and it's nice to have a bit of history in the franchise's overall development and trajectory. The In Development section should stay as is (and include New Gods). FaceOffTournament (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

The Deadline article announcing New Gods says "There is no connection to the other DC worlds being exploited for film right now by Warner Bros"—which means it's not DCEU. JOEBRO64 14:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Joker and Joker & Harley Quinn

I think that these movies should be removed from the In Development section as it has been confirmed that both projects were shelved when Jared Leto quit the role of the Joker in the DCEU. At the very least an extra sentence should be added clarifying that Leto is no longer involved with either projects. 96.32.2.157 (talk) 23:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

None of that is confirmed. FaceOffTournament (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Zatanna

Zatanna's movie development Mohamadwolf (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Batman 2021

I am not sure that this film belongs within the DCEU article. There have been no explicit references that this film would be within the DCEU. It might be standalone. Thoughts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Reeves said it will be. [1] It is an old statement—pre-Justice League and when they were still pretending Affleck was involved—but no reliable source has explicitly stated otherwise, despite how the project appears on the surface. Prefall 07:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

He's actually said it will be DCEU as recently as August 2018, right before he finished the script [2]. The cast is also signed on to reprise their roles in other DCEU films as well. Note that JS has been making similar edits to the Batman in film article, which we've been debating for some time. JOEBRO64 12:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

It really is unfortunate that we have to adhere to an old tweet that was posted before anything on the film had been started, especially since now that literally every development from the film heavily implies it will have nothing to do with the currently established DCEU. WB really needs to finally confirm its separation so we can move on. FaceOffTournament (talk) 18:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

The reliance on sourcing isn't a suicide pact. If all we have is a single, old tweet, then we cannot allow it undue weight in the article. That is the sum of the problem here; there is no confirmation as to the film being within the DCEU since a tweet that was offered before the first-draft script was even complete. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Did you see the link I posted above? He's said it literally right before he finished the script. I also find it extremely hard to dispute when the actors are all signed on to appear in other DCEU films. People need to stop jumping to conclusions just because the roles are being recast. Batman Forever is still a sequel to Batman Returns even though the main cast was replaced, for instance. JOEBRO64 18:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Respectfully, you have not provided us with references that support that statement, TheJoeBro. Please link references for the cast members who have been signed to appear in other films. I am sure there is corroborating references from those films as well, right?

Hopefully, you are understanding my issue here. You are taking a few threads and trying to knit it into a suit; we tend to call that synthesis. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/dc-comics-superman-michael-b-jordan-green-lantern-aquaman-birds-of-prey-1203415757/. And no, I'm not "taking a few threads and trying to knit it into a suit." You're outright making up information when I'm providing references that disprove what you're arguing. JOEBRO64 18:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

And you have not provided us with references that support that statement—what? It is in my post you responded to. JOEBRO64 18:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Joe, that article literally does not say that The Batman's actors will appear in DC Extended Universe films. It only says they have the option to appear in sequels or spin-offs from The Batman. Also, that Matt Reeves tweet was made a very long time ago. Scripts change. We know he's been working on the script for a while and only recently began production on the film. Again, all of the recent developments have given more evidence that he's since decided to distance his film from the established DCEU continuity and instead begin his own. You are indeed "taking a few threads and trying to knit it into a suit," just like you've been doing with that vague at best sentence about New Gods' (more than likely) inclusion in the DCEU. FaceOffTournament (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Heads up about status changes

Some of these movies have tentative or no release dates. And that's okay. There is no rush until we have solid references that indicate such. I point this out because I just had to point this out to at least two regular editors who changed the Shazam 2 article without adding a reference regarding its change in status. You absolutely must include this; this is not a fan forum and we don't Sherlock our way through articles. If you don't have the time to properly cite something, do not add it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Once again, the reference for the title is already on the page: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/shazam-sequel-lands-april-2022-release-1262245 It's used to source this sentence: "for a scheduled release date of April 1, 2022." In THR source, it states "New Line and Warner Bros. announced Thursday that DC's family friendly Shazam! 2 is officially a go, and will hit theaters April 1, 2022." Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate you taking the time to some to the talk page and explain yourself. Clearly, had this been done beforehand, the back-and-forth could have easily been avoided, don't you agree? Conversation via edit summary never, ever works.

As an aside, I've developed a healthy skepticism when it comes to April 1 releases; they are sometimes practical jokes by the studios who sometimes use early April dates as 'soft' release dates in the industry (see The New Mutants (film) for an excellent example of this). I would be willing to be good coffee and donuts that Shazam! 2 will not be released in April. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

The first Shazam! was released in April too. It may end up getting shifted around due to competition, but I'm sure it's a genuine date. Prefall 07:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

they are sometimes practical jokes by the studios who sometimes use early April dates as 'soft' release dates in the industry—WP:OR. I also have no idea why you followed me here and blindly reverted my edit. It was abundantly clear I was citing a reference that is already present in the article, and you provided no reason as to why you did. JOEBRO64 17:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to ask you to take a firm grip on WP:AGF and allow it to guide your posts, TheJoeBro. No one "followed" you here, and I certainly didn't "blindly" revert your edit. I knew precisely what I was doing, and I stand by the edit. No one is out to get you. Focus on the edits, and not the editors, and you will find your time here a lot more enjoyable. Trust me on this.

After reading your comment, I did a little research, however. I am now aware that you have a ton of time invested in developing out the sandbox article for the Batman 2021 film, judging by the fact that you have shown up with edits promoting it in three separate areas where I have been editing for years. I would suggest that you are jumping the gun a little bit in this regard. There isn't that much to say about the barely-formed film yet, and you should probably wait until more information comes to light that gives you more than just a whisper of connection. I think you are going to find that treating Wikipedia like some crufty fanboy gossip mill is going to meet with a lot of resistance.

Lastly, the bit I added about studio practices was an aside to show that the industry often does things like this; yes, its my personal knowledge, having worked in production scheduling for two different major studios in the LA area. You don't have to believe it, but your lack of belief doesn't make it any less true. Ans you will note that I wasn't trying to add it to the article; it was meant as advice on being patient and awaiting further evidence. There is no hurry to rush out the article for a film that isn't even scheduled for release for another year and a half. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I apologize if I'm coming off as assuming bad faith (I just found it a bit odd we bumped into each other here as well, as your username didn't pop up in the archives), but as I've spent a ton of time reading up on the film I haven't yet seen a compelling reason to label it as part of a separate franchise yet. It was envisioned as a DCEU film when development began, and Reeves hasn't said anything to indicate that's changed (quite the opposite, in fact). The only sources I've seen that say it won't be part of the DCEU are unreliable sites like WeGotThisCovered (which get their "sources" via banana phone) and opinion pieces (not actual reports). I'm not trying to "promote" the film, it's just me trying to keep things consistent on Wikipedia and with reliable sources. JOEBRO64 19:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I am really glad to hear that, TheJoeBro64; we'll just call it a misunderstanding. :)

I made a point earlier about the over-reliance of an older, vague reference about the connection of Batman 2021 to the DCEU. I would suggest adding the film as a no-wiki (rendering it invisible in article space) until we have better sources that conclusively connect it to the DCEU. If we get them, we simply uncover the film. If not, we can finally love it to where it should be. Do you think that is a fair solution for now? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

We couldn't create an article for Shazam! 2 even if we wanted to. Future films only become notable when filming has started. El Millo (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

In fairness, WP:OSE comes into play here a bit. There have been films that never saw the light of day from their spot within Development Hell, while others were cannibalized for source material for other films and/or tv series. We could start an article, where it be a stub that grew up into an article as information was added to it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Well, yeah. But all articles for canceled films I've seen became notable for all the media coverage it received and for the long time it was supposed to be released. The only example that comes to mind now is Gambit (unproduced film). El Millo (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)