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"Indonesian Orthodox Church"
Read the sources of the article. Read the debate on the deletion proposal. The "Indonesian Orthodox Church" is simply a ROCOR deanery going around by a strange name. Why would a deanery be recognised by anyone but their own hierarch? Where is any source that claims it is "recognised as semi-canonical"? There seems to be just an awful lot of invention in Wikipedia regarding this jurisdiction. Leefeniaures audiendi audiat 18:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
- I have made the relevant changes to the article. Leefeniaures audiendi audiat 18:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Exorcism and exorcists?
I respectfully request someone competent add to the Wiki articles "Exorcism" and "Exorcist" information about the Orthodox church's beliefs and practices. Phantom in ca (talk) 01:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Second-largest
The EOC is the second-largest church in the world, according to List of Christian denominations by number of members. The second-largest "grouping", Protestantism, is neither a church nor a communion, and doesn't count. The Catholic Church is #1 as a cohesive whole and EOC is right behind her. Elizium23 (talk) 21:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- The first insertion of "third-largest" was in April by an IP as his only contribution. Not constructive. Please observe the facts and revert.
- I think this has already been discussed. Indeed, the second-largest Church, but the third denomination ((if you group Protestants in one branch).--Nicoljaus (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- I agree, I mistook "church" for "denomination". Veverve (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- "Protestantism" is not a denomination either, I'd want to see WP:RS to that effect; Protestantism is a family, and an ill-defined one at that. (Anglicans might tell you they don't belong in it.) Elizium23 (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- "Protestantism" is just a catch all term for around a thousand different denominations that either directly broke from the Roman Church or are descended from a denomination that broke from Rome. It is neither a "church" nor a "denomination." This has been discussed many times in the past. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- And what, in your opinion, is the correct term? If we want to name Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism at the same time?--Nicoljaus (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Apples and oranges. Not to mention, you used a term "Orthodoxy" that is ambiguous: used by many EO to refer to themselves, but also (on Wikipedia) refers to Oriental Orthdoxy, which is definitely not in communion with EO. Elizium23 (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think the word "Protestantism" should be used in terms of comparison with specific churches and denominations. My understanding is the world's third largest church is the worldwide Anglican Communion (composed of autonomous churches but mostly in communion with one another). Anglicans are almost universally recognized as one of the myriad denominations within the term Protestantism. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- According to List of Christian denominations by number of members, the Anglican Communion and Oriential Orthodox Communion are neck-and-neck at 80 million apiece. The Continuing Anglicans would tip the balance if they were not out of communion with the rest of them. Then again, the OO have 70,000 members by that description as well. Elizium23 (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think the word "Protestantism" should be used in terms of comparison with specific churches and denominations. My understanding is the world's third largest church is the worldwide Anglican Communion (composed of autonomous churches but mostly in communion with one another). Anglicans are almost universally recognized as one of the myriad denominations within the term Protestantism. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Apples and oranges. Not to mention, you used a term "Orthodoxy" that is ambiguous: used by many EO to refer to themselves, but also (on Wikipedia) refers to Oriental Orthdoxy, which is definitely not in communion with EO. Elizium23 (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- And what, in your opinion, is the correct term? If we want to name Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism at the same time?--Nicoljaus (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- "Protestantism" is just a catch all term for around a thousand different denominations that either directly broke from the Roman Church or are descended from a denomination that broke from Rome. It is neither a "church" nor a "denomination." This has been discussed many times in the past. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- "Protestantism" is not a denomination either, I'd want to see WP:RS to that effect; Protestantism is a family, and an ill-defined one at that. (Anglicans might tell you they don't belong in it.) Elizium23 (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- I agree, I mistook "church" for "denomination". Veverve (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
What's the conclusion here, because it seems... wrong? At the very list the link is to the wrong page surely? --TheSeer (TalkˑContribs) 08:51, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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