Talk:Washington Redskins name controversy

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Recent changes

While the majority of recent changes have been prompted by the FA review, and made to address structural and formatting issues such as the consistency and correctness of citations, some changes in content have also been made. Usually this has been due to reading and re-reading sections which have not been revisited for some time and need updating due to their relative significance in the controversy has changed with the passage of time.

A large change has been that the SCOTUS decision has altered the meaning and significance of the trademark cases. Since there is an entire article giving the history and details of the cases, I have limited content here to the evidence supporting the legal decision that the name is disparaging, which stands although this is no longer a legal basis for cancelling the trademarks.

Today I have changed the title of a section from "Alternative Native American opinion in support of Redskins name" to "Individual Native American opinion..." to reflect that the content of the section represents the opinion of individuals not otherwise noteworthy except for their being mentioned in news items. The use of Alternative implies that such opinion has comparable weight to the Native Americans listed as change advocates who are noteworthy in their own right, many having their own WP articles.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 06:31, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly: WHAT is racist?

Exactly what is racist here? People are protesting. WHAT exactly are they protesting? What do they have a problem with? The word red? Does this mean the Olympics is going to remove the red ring representing the Red race? Is it the word "redskins"? What is racist about that, exactly? African-American people have no problem with the word Black (although I've always questioned it, (particularly when not capitalized), since very few deep Africa natives are actually "black"). The same: Whites aren't white, and so on. The only race accurately named is the Brown race. The skin is actually brown. Is it the cartoon logo? It is a cartoon. It is only representative of a cartoon Indian, nothing more. It is not real people. If they allow the change, this means they're coming with the censorship next after your early Hollywood cartoons and Westerns such as the Lone Ranger and any film where Natives of all of the Americas are called "red skin". Are they going to recall all DVDs and burn the original reels? If not, then no change is needed for "Redskins", it would be hypocritical. If yes, better get ready: looming civil war's a-coming next cos these people never stop. So, what exactly is the problem here? It would be in order for these protesters to explain, because I'm pretty sure, as usual, they have no idea what they're protesting, as long as they're hating, yelling and holding virtue signaling signs up. If there was an insult, a pejorative word before or after "Redskins", now THAT would be racist. There is none, therefore not racist, therefore no change needed.

Clock is now ticking. 24.1.67.182 (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Folks: The racism is pretty much in the eye of the racist, and that means the non-existent racism is only found in the eyes of the ones crying "racist", all others have no problem with that. --RacistsCryRacism (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.47.44.133 (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic comments re: Olympic rings

The rings have nothing to do with race, though. Currently, “The Olympic symbol [the rings] expresses the activity of the Olympic Movement and represents the union of the five continents and the meeting of athletes from throughout the world at the Olympic Games.” (Olympic Charter, Rule 8).^[1] We also have the fact that Baron Coubertin stated in the August 1913 edition of Olympique^[2] that "the six colours [including the flag's white background] combined in this way reproduce the colours of every country without exception. The blue and yellow of Sweden, the blue and white of Greece, the tricolour flags of France, England [i.e. United Kingdom], the United States, Germany, Belgium, Italy and Hungary, and the yellow and red of Spain are included, as are the innovative flags of Brazil and Australia, and those of ancient Japan and modern China. This, truly, is an international emblem."--Dacramac (talk) 15:00, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "The Olympic Rings". The Olympic Games. IOC. Retrieved 20 September 2019.
^ Lennartz, Karl (2002). "The Story of the Rings" (PDF). Journal of Olympic History. 10: 31. Retrieved 7 January 2016. De plus les six couleurs ainsi combinées reproduisent celles de toutes les nations sans exception. Le bleu et jaune de Suède, le bleu et blanc de Grèce, les tricolores français, anglais, américain, allemand, belge, italien, hongrois, le jaune et rouge d'Espagne voisinent avec les innovations brésilienne ou australienne, avec le vieux Japon et la jeune Chine. Voilà vraiment un emblème international.

Cleanup and reversion

I keep an eye on this article which has remained remarkably stable since achieving GA status. It has always been by some measures Too Long/Didn't Read, so pruning is always a good thing. The hot news about the spoof Washington Redhawks has gone nowhere after two years, so I tried to delete what I added while retaining a link to the small article I also created.

Perhaps the above explanation needed to precede that deletion, since it was reverted.

I also deleted another minor news item, which remains. I will likely make others changes, with better edit summaries including a reference to this section.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 01:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing with the attempt to reduce the size of the article, which has grown from the ~100k initial GA content to ~130k now. I have also nominated the Washington Redhawks article for deletion.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article revision when name changes?

It now seems inevitable that the team will be renamed, which means all the article content will be revised, and much will no longer be relevant.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 00:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It will always reflect the history of the situation. Notability is not temporary. BD2412 T 01:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "The Olympic Rings". The Olympic Games. IOC. Retrieved 20 September 2019.

[2] Lennartz, Karl (2002). "The Story of the Rings" (PDF). Journal of Olympic History. 10: 31. Retrieved 7 January 2016. De plus les six couleurs ainsi combinées reproduisent celles de toutes les nations sans exception. Le bleu et jaune de Suède, le bleu et blanc de Grèce, les tricolores français, anglais, américain, allemand, belge, italien, hongrois, le jaune et rouge d'Espagne voisinent avec les innovations brésilienne ou australienne, avec le vieux Japon et la jeune Chine. Voilà vraiment un emblème international.

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