Talk:Midsommar

Title

There are conflicting reports on if it's Midsommar or Sommar. Either way, it should be consistent and should be added to the appropriate disambiguation page. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Comedy?

What's the basis for putting "comedy" in the genre description? It strikes me as a film that takes itself extremely seriously. Barnabypage (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Senicide Elders

During the final fire scene, the plot summary says the two dead cultists are the senicide elders who threw themselves off the cliff earlier in the film. This cannot be the case as their bodies were burned over a pyre well before the final scene. This should be corrected in the plot summary. PokeHomsar (talk) 01:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

I think its point is that they counted toward the total of nine - somebody says something about them having died earlier - and as I recall they are burned in effigy during the final scene, rather than their actual bodies burned. Barnabypage (talk) 06:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Genre

AFI Allmovie.com specifically classifies this film as mystery/horror[1]. I see no mention of folk. If you want to retain the folk classification, please indicate what source you're using for it. DonIago (talk) 14:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

The source you cite is actually "AllMovie.com", not the American Film Institute. AllMovie's genres appear to be user-generated, and are not considered reliable per WP:RSP. AFI actually describes it as "horror drama" [2] while an AFI interview with the director calls it "folk horror" [3]. Numerous reviews also describe the film as "folk horror" (e.g., Variety, AV Club, The Guardian, and Time Out. I do not see any sources describe it as "mystery horror". – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 15:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Ack, you're right. My apologies for misstating my source. That said, at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film#Genres and verification, AllMovie.com came up and the editors involved in that discussion appeared to consider it a reasonable source for genre data. The conversation is still live if you'd like to offer your opinion. I don't think a conversation with the director should be used because that would be the director offering their opinion, but they're not necessarily well-versed in the conventions of film genre classification (or their answer may be off-the-cuff). Based on the discussion I linked to, I would use AFI over the reviews; I'd also note that folk horror doesn't appear to be enough of a recognized genre for us to have an article discussing it. Thanks for coming to the table to talk this out with me! DonIago (talk) 15:56, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Per the source I provided, the AFI article author calls it "folk horror", and not the film's director. I also never suggested that "folk horror" be made into a separate article. "Folk horror" is used in numerous sources, and it is the most common descriptor of the film in all the sources I have seen along with simply "horror". I can find very few sources that even mention "mystery" as a genre. Per WP:DUE, articles should reflect what is most common in the sources. Based on the sources, I do not see any reason to use the less-specific "horror" descriptor over "folk horror". – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 16:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Honestly I don't have enough skin in this game to care all that much, pun intended. If there are reliable sources calling it "folk horror", that's good enough for me. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 18:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. I appreciate the conversation, and also for letting me know about the other discussion. I wish I could contribute to a solution more, but I am still learning a lot about Wikipedia and don't think I am that useful in most policy discussions yet. Dealing with film and music genres is such a hassle too, and so thanks for your work in that area. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Just to let you all know what the director himself says:

Ari Aster: "I've been calling this movie a wish-fulfilment film and fantasy from the beginning. It's a perverse wish-fulfilment film and fantasy. But for me, yeah, I do see the film as a dark comedy. The ending makes me laugh. Yeah, I was hoping to make kind of like a malignant crowd-pleaser."

Thank you. 83.70.62.101 (talk) 02:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate your bodlness here, but given that this issue was controversial in the past, I would ask that you wait to make this edit until at least one other editor supports it, per WP:CONSENSUS. I have my concerns that we should be categorizing the film based on what Aster said versus how recognized film sites have categorized the film. I'll ping @Wallyfromdilbert: given that they weighed in on this previously. DonIago (talk) 03:10, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree that reliable independent sources like recognized film sites are more reliable and useful for genre categorizations than the statements of directors. However, in the source here, Aster also explicitly states, "we're working in the folk horror sub-genre, and anybody who knows the genre knows exactly where we're headed". While he later also says, "for me, yeah, I do see the film as a dark comedy", that is not needed in the lead sentence as per WP:FILMLEAD, which says to include "the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified". I think added something about how Aster intended the film to be humorous would be beneficial to add somewhere in the article. I'll try to add something if I can find the time. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 02:33, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

"Midsommer (upcoming film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Midsommer (upcoming film). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

See Also Link to Wicker Man Film

Tried to add a See Also link to the Wicker Man movie and my edits keep being reverted. IMDB has the Wicker Man as a movie connection to Midsommer due to plot similarities. Not wanting to get into an endless edit loop could some people who have seen both films comment if there should be a link between these movies and do the proper link for me because it seems the way I am doing it does not satisfy some editors. Septagram (talk) 07:19, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think "see also" sections are all that useful, and since Midsommar is frequently compared to the Wicker Man, I simply added some content with a wikilink to the main body of the article. I think more details could be added to the reception and probably the production section as well. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I use the See Also sections all the time to go to other items that are connected to the article. Where else would The Wicker Man link be placed that those who never heard of it would look it up?Septagram (talk) 03:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I think it's better to put the information in the main body of the article with appropriate context. There seems to be a decent amount more that could be added to the article about The Wicker Man just based on a quick internet search. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 04:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

US location?

Did anyone recognize the US city the film plays in? Not important for the plot, I am just interested. Thanks in advance! -Abzo (talk) 13:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Possible Edit Warring

In my revision 984964912, I tried to restore the article's veracity regarding the spelling of the character name 'Maja' by reverting changes to 'Maya.'

I included a still photograph from the credits, backing up my decision. I can appreciate if my image does not meet the standards for a credible citation, but because my revert was reverted without explanation, I have no such gesture of good faith.

After my edit was reverted, a third user seems to have come in to manually reproduce (over the course of three separate edits) the correct spelling. I am concerned that this could turn into an edit war, and I would appreciate any comments and suggestions.