Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. Ifconsensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute.
This topic contains controversial issues, some of which have reached a consensus for approach and neutrality, and some of which may be disputed.
Before making any potentially controversial changes to the article, please carefully read the discussion-page dialogue to see if the issue has been raised before, and ensure that your edit meets all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please also ensure you use an accurate and concise edit summary.
Homosexuality was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBT studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBT studiesLGBT articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of human sexuality on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Sexology and sexualityWikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexualityTemplate:WikiProject Sexology and sexualitySexology and sexuality articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Psychology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Psychology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PsychologyWikipedia:WikiProject PsychologyTemplate:WikiProject Psychologypsychology articles
The etymology section in this article is within the scope of the Etymology task force, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of etymology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EtymologyWikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics/EtymologyTemplate:Etymology sectionEtymology articles
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 July 2019 and 23 August 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Tranhtruong (article contribs).
User:Peacetowikied, please remember that editors should assume good faith and not cast aspersions on other editors without reason. No, I am not homophobic, and there is no reason to assume that my disagreement is due to some veiled bigotry, especially when I have already informed you of my actual reasoning. To answer your second question, this article is not about Gay pride, but you will notice that the images on that article are of pride events and one historical location important to the idea. The connection to the topic is much clearer and says more to a viewer unfamiliar with the topic than a wide shot of a man standing stiffly in front of a chair, the only visible connection to homosexuality being a rainbow flag on a chair behind him, which viewers unfamiliar with the subject might not even recognize. This would be a poor image to illustrate the subject of gay pride, and an even worse one to illustrate the concept of homosexuality generally. --Equivamp - talk09:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I had to revert your edit Peacetowikied. I have nothing against the image but it does not add anything to the article. As the image is of yourself, you may not be adding it from a neutral point of view.
You're going to have to be more specific than that. What issues are there with the current pictures? In any case, we won't be using this picture. It's just a guy standing in his underwear. It doesn't help explain anything to the reader. — Tartan357(Talk)07:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
“Since the end of the 19th century, there has been a global movement towards freedom and equality for gay people, including the introduction of anti-bullying legislation to protect gay children at school, legislation ensuring non-discrimination, equal ability to serve in the military, equal access to health care, equal ability to adopt and parent, and the establishment of marriage equality.“
I wonder about the inclusion of the "Sexual orientation change efforts" subheading under the Causes section. Should it be shifted under the Psychology heading (since it has little to do with cause)? Some of this article could do with some good consolidation. Sxologist (talk) 10:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would propose that either the 'gay genes' table is removed or made collapsible. While homosexuality has a moderate genetic component as evidenced by twin studies, it has been known for a while that traits are polygenic and thus informed by many thousands of genes interacting. As written here by Rice et al. in 2017 "Collectively, GWAS thus indicate that there are no major genes contributing to male homosexuality". Ideas about 'the gay gene' or even gay genes are an unfortunate product of media and science by press release. Any thoughts? Sxologist (talk) 10:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Second comment, it would still be useful to include the major findings and specific genes found in GWAS and molecular studies in the text body. However the table itself is pretty distracting and annoying on mobile? Maybe that's just me. But the 'gay genes' thing gives people the false idea that something must be genetic to have biological origins. Sxologist (talk) 10:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that it necessarily gives that idea, but it could perhaps be replaced by not-overly-long prose that goes over the latest understanding of the same matter based on secondary sources. There's more at biology and sexual orientation, but much of it seems to be written in a fashion where it accumulated info from each study as it came out. Crossroads-talk-15:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah perhaps just shortened to a prose. Or a collapsable table. I will have to see. It could be reasonably to bring back the 'gay genes' article and put it there, but have it explain the polygenic nature of the trait. Just a suggestion; I see a lot of searches on google relate to gay genes rather than biology etc. Sxologist (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
.svg){kind=small}
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 July 2019 and 23 August 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Tranhtruong (article contribs).
Peacetowikied (talk) 22:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)