Talk:Dragon Ball Z

Season 4 DBZ When is the 4rth season supposed to come out I bought the third and it just said It was comming soon.Prince Of All Sayains —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prince Of All Saiyans (talk • contribs) 16:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Season 4

When is DBZ's Season 4 Coming Out?Prince Of All Saiyans 13:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)Prince Of All Sayains

according to animenation, its 02/18/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.130.8 (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

New section added

Hello everyone. Because I didn't see a plot section, I began to add it; I already wrote about tha Saiyans and Freeza sagas, I'm going to write about the Cell saga, because I cannot remember too much about the others. Can you help me in this? Thanks. Twicemost 04:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Can someone explain me why the section was deleted? Is there already an article for the series plot? Or it's that you are too reckless and erased it without giving the reasons in this talk? Man, this English Wikipedia is the real worst. Twicemost 20:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

dont do a space beforr your comment it stretches out the page

Uncut versions

If possible could anyone post more information about the uncut seasons please? ie. links to sites where you could order DVD's etc would be much apreciated! I tried to look on the funimations site but didn't get very far...

This was concerning:

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Uncut version

In 2003, FUNimation began to redub the first two sagas (Saiyan and Namek). They also redubbed the first three Pioneer-distributed movies that were dubbed by the Ocean Group voice actors. The distribution of the redubs on DVD, under the Ultimate Uncut Special Edition title, began in April 2005.

In the summer of 2005, Cartoon Network started showing the uncut version of the first two seasons of Dragon Ball Z. This version used the original Japanese footage, with the exception of the Japanese opening and closing themes, and has an entirely new score of music. The uncut version also featured many scenes with large amounts of blood, mild profanity and language, as well as mild sexual humor and slapstick male nudity. Generally, while some lines were maintained from the original dub, several mistranslations were also corrected. The uncut episodes were given a TV-PG rating unlike the original dub's episodes which were given a TV-Y7 rating. Although only the first two uncut seasons have been released, more are expected soon.

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Also, it may be a stupid question but could someone add if those versions mentioned were in english or merely subtitled? Again it would be much apreciated!

DVD section

I changed the DVD section into a wikitable, to give it a more organized look. I was going to also add a Spanish Audio Collum, but only one set had Spanish audio, so I decided against it. Anyone else have any suggestions for it? Takuthehedgehog 04:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

dvd release

Whats the point in this section? I cant see how its relevant. Unless someone provides ACCURATE reasons its not gonna be in the article.BlueShrek 23:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

What are you're reasons for getting rid of it, exactly? You haven't given us much insight on why it should be removed other than the fact you see it as a pointless list. // DecaimientoPoético 02:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, for one the dvds werent all released together, The release dates arent really relevent, and it makes the article more of a mess. Also this articles quality goes down with it.BlueShrek 14:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

What does the fact that they weren't "all released together" have to do with this? You haven't really said anything new as to why you think it should go. "The quality goes down" is very vague, and still doesn't provide us much insight into this situation. One could say that about anything in the article, but that reason alone wouldn't justify removing it. Dan 14:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The other DVD sections do provide all of the information that the table I created had. I had originally made it to clean up the old section on DVD releeases, I don't see why it didn't occur to me to just delete it. Takuthehedgehog 01:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The information was irrelevent and pointless so its gone period dot dash.BlueShrek 15:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

That's what I said. Takuthehedgehog 01:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Statement

"The 'Z' was originally added to the title by Toriyama for the anime, to signify it as being the ending portion of the Dragon Ball series."

I'm considering removing this bit. Not only do I find it completely untrue and unsourced, but there wasn't anything on the net regarding this statement. Comments before I remove this "infinite" citation? Lord Sesshomaru

We're just talking about the second part, correct? The "to signify it as being the ending portion of the Dragon Ball series."? 'Cause the first bit seems like it should stay. I'd call it notable that the "Z" was only added in the anime, and the Manga as a whole was "Dragon Ball", but that's just me. Lychosis ^T/C 23:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Everything in that sentence is WP:OR. It should be removed, how do we know that it was Toriyama and not the animation crew who added the 'Z' to the anime? Yes, the 'Z' was only added in the anime and the original manga series is known as Dragon Ball, we know that for a fact. I'll give it a few more days — if it remains unverified, I will get rid of it entirely. Lord Sesshomaru

Ah, I had overlooked the "Toriyama did this" bit. Well, I'm just saying, would a mention be left about the fact that the "Z" was added after the manga, or is that notable enough to justify inclusion? I mean, not everyone would know that. Just someone who wanders along and starts reading the "Dragon Ball Z" article might not know that, you know? I dunno, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way, but it's just what I think. You've got more experience with this than me, though, so please correct me if this is just stupidity on my part. :x Lychosis ^T/C 02:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I see what you're getting at. If the sentence were reworded like, "The 'Z' was added after the [Dragon Ball] manga", then its acceptable. That's why there a Dragon Ball (anime) and Dragon Ball Z, to insure the distinction. Then again, if its obvious that the 'Z' was given only in this anime (and in the second part of the American version of the manga), why would it have to be mentioned here? Lord Sesshomaru

I dunno, I suppose it is just a triviality, but I just don't like to assume that things that are obvious to some are obvious to others. I mean, there's a good number of people who can completely overlook things, no matter how glaringly obvious said thing is. But again, you obviously know how things work around here better than I do, and I agree with you 'cept for what I said in the start of this. So, I'm just gonna say I have no objections at all. If nobody says anything, you'll have no one opposing the removal of that sentence. It was nice to talk to someone about an article, by the way. I think this might be the first time I've actually had a discussion like this with someone. :x Lychosis ^T/C 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice talking to you too. I say 2-3 days before I remove that whole bit. If you have any questions about the Dragon Ball series, please feel free to ask me. I contribute regulary at the special Dragon Ball wikia as well. My official account there is User:Burdock since I don't edit there by ip anymore. Lord Sesshomaru

<Unverified sentence on article removed. Please view this link, if you wish to understand reasoning.> Lord Sesshomaru

Oopsy...

Haha, half asleep and I did that revert wrong, looked at it completely the wrong way. I thought that the Anon IP has added that stuff. Sorry, guys. :x Lychosis ^T/C 16:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

14th DBZ Movie???

This was added by someone:

[[Dragon Ball Z: The last stand of The Z Fighters: - Saiyans Rebirth] (2008) - Confirmed

They claim it's confirmed, but where's the source? I won't believe it until there's proof it's actually being made. Schaef Dogg 18:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

its a fake, search for it on google, you get zero results--Mhart54com 08:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

seemGoogle... Really? Google is the last search engine I'd ever use for an unreleased, undated, and improbable media/film production. No offense if I snobby. I wouldn't even use wikipedia if I didn't know it was being edited by people who knew thier stuff. Also on youtube I've tooken a glimpse of an odd 'movie'. It sure seemed real. Strange enough, Future Trunks was in it. The Z fighters ( atleast the main Z fighters a.k.a all the saiyans-and Picoolo if I'm not mistaken-) were fighting a robot. it wasn't an android or some type of artificial lifeform but a robot the ones in DragonBall. i'm also sure Toriyama is working on the new game Blue Dragon. Still, a foureenth movie would be awesome.-Eric —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.75.230 (talk) 01:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

you know it isn't right to pose as an anonymous editor, and im sure the video you saw was the dragonbll Z OVA--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 00:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

OVA

"Another Story: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans" does not fit the definition of an OVA. An OVA, according to Wikipedia is:

"is a term used for anime titles that are released direct-to-video, without prior showings on TV or in theaters. OVA titles were originally available on VHS, though they later became available on other media such as Laserdisc and DVD. OVA is sometimes used to refer to any short anime series or special regardless of its release format."

While the last sentence ends with "regardless of its release format", most OVA's are direct to video releases. "Another Story: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans" is nothing more than a video someone compiled from the various scenes from the game Dragon Ball Z: Shin Saiyajin Zenmatsu Keikaku - Chikyū-Hen and Dragon Ball Z: Shin Saiyajin Zenmetsu Keikaku - Uchū-Hen. MastaFighta 06:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

but the Japanese call it an OVA is that not good enough?--Mhart54com 08:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

"is nothing more than a video someone compiled" yes and that someone would happen to be TOEI animation!, which would also be why "the japanese call it an OVA", it was released on video, so TOEI could squeeze an extra buck out of DBZ. something which you would know had you actually checked the article for said OVA (This is an OVA, first released on VHS August 6th 1993, just after the Famicom game ... The OVA has been re-released in 2003 in Japan as an extra feature in the "Dragon Box" DVD boxed set. see, that's two releases of the thing as an OVA)68.255.174.7 16:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Live action movie

a live action movie has already been made its called "Dragonball: The Magic Begins" but it is for the dragonball series--Mhart54com 04:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I did a quick 2 min check on this movie. It is an unoffficial chinese movie published in 1989. It's not a fan movie, but still unofficial.. I'm not sure on whether it should be mentioned. - Zero1328 _Talk? 07:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It is still a dragonball movie, yes it is an unoffficial chinese movie--Mhart54com 07:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

There is DBZ movie comeing out see more info here [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.91.213 (talk) 23:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia&myfavoritegames.com

The site http://www.myfavoritegames.com, and its administrators have found information taken from their site and placed on Wikipedia. They wish that this information be checked and removed as soon as possible.

They would also request that information from their site not be added to wikipedia. if you could go through and remove the information throughout many of the dragon ball Z articles in question, it would be greatly appreciatedTensa Zangetsu 18:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I should note that we are all volunteers here. You would probably get a better result if you searched for and removed the text yourself. Also, I would say that there is no need for you to ask for it to be not added to Wikipedia; such an act is illegal. I am only talking about direct copy-pasting though. If it is original writing you're looking at, it's completely fine, but perhaps a citation could be used.. - Zero1328 _Talk? 06:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I should've looked beforehand before commenting. It seems that you should all be already aware of what I just said.. woops. - Zero1328 _Talk? 06:20, 3 September 2007 Colt 45. and 3 six axe, baby thats all we need, we can go to the park after dark smoke that tub a weed and i said a roll roll roll my joint pick out the seeds and stems we'll get high as heck okay cool

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Film debate

People have been wondering if the dragonball z live action film article should be merged with the dragonballz article. So there has been voting. To vote and express your opinion, go to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dragon_Ball_Z_%28film%29

every vote makes a difference.

--Cman7792 20:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Uncut season 4

Uncut Season 4 (Garlic - Android saga) has been confirmed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5gCc-W-ou8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.114.167.210 (talk) 03:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

why is thereno plot sumery in this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.31.103.10 (talk) 04:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Article Changes

Most of the information has been butchered. There is little or no useful information regarding the series itself. This is the same with many DBZ articles, there is either too little information or the info is worthless and boring. I dont see why every time you wiki-nerds see something you dont agree with you have to delete it. This article sucks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.197.68 (talk) 19:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Then be bold and do something about it. Though I can't say many will sid with you. // DecaimientoPoético 22:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

At least we can look at the better version in the history tab.24.154.94.204 11:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

About the live action movie

The Filmmaker James Wong has reportedly come aboard to direct the live-action feature film version of Dragon Ball Z. The film is expected to start production in Montreal in November.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=37957

http://movies.ign.com/articles/824/824447p1.html

Should we add this info or not? It official because it from IGN and Comeingsoon.net.

Here's the CHUD article- http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=12002Onikage725 01:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Then we should add it then because it official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.91.213 (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

CHUD is not a reliable source. Alientraveller 21:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Alientraveller -- let's not rush with a movie blog that relies on "an old and trusted scooper named Tailgunner Joe". When a more reliable source independently reports the information in a more official capacity, we can then include it. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. When (if) the project goes into development, this should be easily verifiable. Onikage725 23:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

It was posted on IGN which is a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.91.213 (talk) 04:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the source is some friend of CHUD's. Alientraveller 09:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

IGN is merely passing on the information found at CHUD.com because not all Net-savvy film-lovers go to CHUD.com. In addition, if you notice the very article title at IGN, it says, "Dragon Ball Z Director? - Final Destination filmmaker said to be helming." This is not confirmed in the slightest. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The Live action Movie's wiki page states that it will be based on the story of lord piccolo etc from DRAGON BALL and not DRAGON BALL Z. It seems that its only source is CHUD which actually says "I know jack nor shit about Dragon Ball (is there supposed to be a Z in there?)". I think we can safely say that this is not conclusive and that the movie could be based on either DB or DBZ. - Pachang —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pachang (talk • contribs) 11:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Plot Hole with Training

I probably missed something, but aren't the gravity in the Room of Spirit and Time the same as North Kai's planet? If this is the case, why would Son Goku have trouble walking on North Kai's planet if he had already trained in the Room of Spirit and Time? He is also much stronger when on King Kai's Planet in DBZ than as a child in DB so I can't find a conclusion.[[UserSxeFluff--SxeFluff 23:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)]] 18:19, 15 October 2007

Most likely just a plot hole.--60 Delta 01:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Article Cropped

why is most of the info in this article gone? it really doesn't even talk about the show in general. whats up? Schaef Dogg 04:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Removal of unverified content

I have deleted almost everything in the DBZ page which included series and plot information that was not sourced per WP:V policy, and I've done the same for Son Goku and Yamucha. I will continue to remove every sentence and paragraph from all Dragon Ball-related pages that violates WP:OR, WP:NEU, WP:VERIFY and any other policy. Any assistance would most definitely be great. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It is also notable to add that all of the Dragon Ball Z Saga pages will be merged into four articles. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 00:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have no objections. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 16:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Rather than just deleting information, why don't you find verification or citation for said information? Deleting information from Wikipedia because no citation was recorded defeats the purpose of using Wikipedia as reference guide.Kakomu 18:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The issue is that there's jack for verifiable info on canon stuff. Pretty much the only thing that we have are the mangas, which actually have contradictions insode themselves. That both makes these articles impossible to edit and ultimately dooms them to never make GA. No one has the Daizenshuu (because it's super rare) and most interviews with Toriyama are long gone. --VorangorTheDemon 01:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Feel comfortable re-including the information back in so long as it doesn't violate any of the said policies. I won't get rid the content if it is backed-up at least by reliable sources. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

In otherwords you've decided that policy requires every sentence/statement to be individually referenced?--Marhawkman 23:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying every single little event, however, most of it does need citations. For example, dates, quotes, story & plot occurrences. Cases such as voice actors, OSTs and video games don't need a ref if those articles are already sourced. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Does this have something to do with removal of "attack lists"? Those are simply the DBZ equivalent of a powers and abilities section.--Marhawkman 23:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, a list of attacks needs to be confirmed per WP:VERIFY. I realized that the Dragon Ball pages will never be good articles unless a lot of this stuff is sourced. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't simply listing episodes that they were used be sufficient?--Marhawkman 00:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but wouldn't it be better to reference manga volumes? I don't object to citing anime episodes, however. Whatever works, long as we don't break any policy. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Either or both works for me. It doesn't really matter to Wiki policy as long as it is an official(IE first party) source.--Marhawkman 00:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Glad we could come to terms. You're welcome to help in the mass removal of original content or, if you'd prefer, cite the most appropiate locations. By the way, if you do reference the manga, could you cite the page(s)? Most seem to forget about this. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean page in volume? I probably won't cite the manga, but the page/volume numbering might be different in english and Japanese versions.--Marhawkman 00:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You guys are going overboard on deleteing to a point that everything is being reduced to one or two sentences. In the end the links are meaningless because they say absolutely NOTHING about the subject if you find something that is to lengthy abbreviate it if you find something with out a reference find the source and jot down the references. User:Shinobigai —Preceding comment was added at 17:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, It's Sesshomaru's doing. He doesn't seem to understand the policy.--Marhawkman 23:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:REF, it will teach you how to reference pages. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

And then read: WP:When_to_cite If Sesshomaru keeps up what he's doing I'm gonna have to report it as vandalism.--Marhawkman 23:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

See bad faith. Also that is an essay, not a policy that overcomes others. Complain all you want, I'm abiding by WP:V and WP:OR. Look at what happened to D.L. Hughley. No one complained there, the DBZ article is no different. And no offense guys, but they're policies, they can not be ignored. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I AM assuming good faith. However, your demonstrated lack of understanding of policy has caused me to conclude you don't know what you're doing. OR and V DO NOT state that every tiny comment in an article needs to be individually referenced. It is permissable to simply use a list of anime episodes as a reflist.--Marhawkman 22:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Must I say it again? Of course anime episodes can be utilised as refs, I just think sourcing manga chapters/pages are more informal. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Good luck with getting manga pages as a source. For that people would actually have to have the manga. BTW even though you CLAIM to not be advocating that every tiny edit needs to be seperately sourced, that's pretty much what you've done. you deleted everything without a ref tag. Whether it had a stated source or not.--Marhawkman 22:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And YES WP:IGNORE does specifically state that POLICIES don't have to be rigidly followed. Wikipedia:What "Ignore all rules" means your edits have been VERY detrimental to the to the articles you've edited and you've gone against wp:consensus the entire time.--Marhawkman 22:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? What consensus? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Consensus has nothing to do with voting. It is the shared opinion of users regarding a subject. No one has agreed that your decision to remove the information was the right one. AND yes following consensus is part of policy.--Marhawkman 22:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok what I am about to say will sound mean and emotionless please do not take offense. First off Marhawk, there is no real consensus on your side. Only a bunch of users and IPs with nothing more to say than I Don't Like it have a problem with this. I really don't see why we are arguing about this, the Dragon Ball Z article has been terrible, and Sesshomaru is only getting rid of all the crap (sorry about the harsh language) that has been plaguing this article for months. Now the article is fresh for a rewrite that can actually give the reader more information than when the Funimation dub started and when the box sets are coming out. Sorry for having to make such harsh comments. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nicely said. Data that gets removed doesn't dissapear forever (unless deleted by an admin.), I don't understand why some people exaggerate stuff. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nicely said, DBZROCKS, as well. Greg Jones II 23:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

(OVERLY LONG) Listen guys To me DB characters as well as most anime, manga and other Asian based fictional characters on Wikipedia will never get a GA rating because to tell there stories and the bios of fictional people it will always come out to a in-universal type of article and there is not too many things in the US about Asian author and Mangaka (Manga artist). I have sat here somedays on my computer tried to write and rewrite Goku and Gohan's article before tackling them and bringing it to Wiki but no true real world stuffs really comes out. Of course Goku does have much influence outside of DB but it is usually in other piece of fiction. Some time ago the articles were ok but then the articles started to get overly long. Then Cruft started to show up and with that and the thing with in-universe reference something had to be done. Thats why many of the editors had to come to some agreement to shorten the article to remove the cruft and most in-universe text. But even with the Daizenshuu (DB universe encyclopedias) volumes (which I do have a few) it still will not give you the reference you really need as they are not published in the US and are rare to come by as Vorangor said before. I know it took me years to get the volumes I got. And being so rare and not in the US language it will be hard for others to find what they are looking for so the true and only real references in the US is the US Viz version of the mangas as the first and Funimation subtitled version of the anime as the second. We are not offical translator, most of us can't even read japanese, chinese or korean so things like offical names and stuff should not really be argued anymore. Stuff like when did Goku first us the Kamehameha should not be hard to find to reference. Stuff like what volume or chapter did Piccolo merge with Kami should be hard to find. So if you have a problem with something that need referencing and you don't have the manga well do one of a few things. Go on line google DB mangas and you find them there, Go the Books a Million or some comic book store in your area and buy it, or ask a friend that may have it or go to a user page and ask them. This arguing over references and policies is really getting old fast. To let you know a lot of policies and guidelines have a policy, essay, and guideline that seems to have the condradict, or is the complete opposite meaning and effect to something a editor may work on. And do not talk about canon please. I just brought that up for a reason as many anime follow a manga but to let it be known a lot of mangas are following or going off of a anime. So when someone says something like vegeta wasnt a SSJ2 fighting buu in the anime but he was in the manga, do one of two things. Go with what came first (the manga or anime), or if there is still a disagreement just put a reference or a line in the article telling the public of this and not argue over it. I understand the others too as a lot of info has be deleted but they have to understand too that this is an encyclopedia and not Dragon Ball only website and not all the information on a character has to be listed only the important and major event things. Heat P 17:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Um, what are you trygin to say? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Zenkai

As I was watching the season Dvd with the Japenese, the ending song mentioned ZENKAI but it was refering to DBZ. Could The Z in Dragonball Z mean Zenkai and Zetto. I also heard Zenkai in the Spanish Version Telemundo. (Kelvin Martinez 03:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

This Article

Has been completely destroyed. It sucks, it doesnt even have any information on the storyline or anything. The standards of the Dragonball articles have fallen dramatically and are very poor to say the least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.197.68 (talk • contribs)

Yea, The article was better before after this user Sesshomaru nukes everything. --SkyWalker 19:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Complain all you guys want, I'm simply following WP:V and WP:OR. Look at what happened to D.L. Hughley. No one complained there, the DBZ article is no different. And no offense guys, but they're policies, they can not be ignored. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

See above^--Marhawkman 22:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Must I say it again? Of course anime episodes can be utilised as refs, I just think sourcing manga chapters/pages are more informal. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to be a WP:DICK but Wikipedia:Ignore all rules is a policey. However, it completely doesn't apply here. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That is true. However it is true, because the articles weren't violating policy to start with.--Marhawkman 22:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The article was not in direct violation of Wikipedia Policey but it was terrible. It was just a long article that just explained every release date for every Funimation box set. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The discussion is actually not about this article specifically. Sessh lobotomized multiple article related to DBZ.--Marhawkman 22:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You make it sound as if I'm vandalising. Well, time to cut more unsourced bunk. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't have any problems with it if your edits were being made to improve the articles. but you've gone to Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point you've almost completely removed several of the character pages for no reason other than your misguided interpretation of policy.--Marhawkman 23:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid this whole sorry incident has done nothing to improve the image that wiki users are nothing but tireless nit-pickers, who would rather follow their policies to an obsessive degree than write a good article. Sure this follows your strict interpretation of policy Sesshomaru, but the fact of the matter is, this article is now terrible (IMO) because of it! Instead of tearing the article to pieces, why don't you spend the time to improve this article by either finding sources or rewriting it. The Real Mr Snrub 23:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

RfC: implementation of Verifiability as related to DBZ character articles

Template:RFCmedia A debate has sprung up regarding the implementation of wp:v and wp:or in regards to procedure for removing information that doesn't have references. In particular, whether all statements need to be referenced individually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marhawkman (talk • contribs)

Suggestion for Reordering or Reediting this site

This articule needs to be rearranged and reedited. It gives headaches just look at it. Its basicly a collection of random information about this anime series and thrown in no real order. From the discussion found on this page It'll probably be best to just start from fresh with a neutral over all discription of the anime with references from reliable source (make sure you read the how to write a reference articles) I believe I've seen links to it on this page. If anyone out there is willing to pickup the project it'll be greatly appreciated. Rock on guys!!! Demon Lord Naraku 20:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)