Talk:Green Bay Packers

Sources for Public Company Section

Under the Public Company section, does anyone know of the original source for all that information? I'm looking for the original source because I am doing some research on community owned sports teams. Specifically, is there a source for the "Articles of Incorporation" that the section lists?Gronkmeister 16:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

[1][2][3] Are a few good sources. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 19:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"G" Logo

The article states: However, since its inception in 1961, the Packer's "G" has been redesigned several times and now looks like Georgia's original 1964 "G."

The logo image caption says "Packers logo 1961-present".

If the "G" has been redesigned several times, the logo image caption is (slightly) misleading. It would be good to see a few examples (either photos of logos, or drawn) of these redesigned "G"'s to see how it changed.

142.36.45.136 (talk) 20:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, the article who talk about who designed the original G. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kramer14 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

One more thing... The "G" actually stands for "Greatness". Here's a link to a reference: [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreammaker182 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The reference above for the "G" standing for "Greatness" is circular. That reference references back to an earlier incarnation of this page.

There is NO EVIDENCE ANYWHERE, other than internet hearsay and gossip, that it ever stood for anything other than "Green Bay", officially. It is not verifiable. Unofficially and somewhat humorously, it probably has been referred to as standing for "Greatness", or a good deal of other words or phrases beginning with "G". In fact, a Packers fan page suggests that it stands for "God's Chosen Team".

Please correct this and make note that Tiki Barber, in doing his piece for Yahoo "News", did not do his homework on sources. All he accomplished was making some Packer players look foolish for no reason whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twintwelve1484 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Green Bay Packers champion teams

Carrol Dale was a wide receiver,not a running back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.58.238 (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

As I type . . .

As I type, the Packers are playing, and, apparently, they fired Mason Crosby for poor performance against Carolina, and, now, they have a new punter. Uzumaki Dude (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Mason Crosby is a kicker not a punter and he was not fired u dumbass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flatriderboy (talk • contribs) 01:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Please add playoff appearances!

The article is locked so I can't do this myself. The Packers have gone to the playoffs 24 times, the following years...

1936, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1944, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1972, 1982, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.60.40 (talk) 04:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Sources

This article needs a lot more citations. It has very similar content to the Bears page, but the Bears page is a featured article because it has 3 times as many citations! A LOT of this needs to be officially verified. I do not have any books or anything here where I would be able to cite much, but someone who does have this can do so. Splent (talk) 16:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Championships - "World" v. "NFL"

I'm going to revise this paragraph:

The Packers have 12 league championships, the most in the NFL, including three Super Bowls. The Packers are also the only team to win three straight NFL titles, which they did twice (1929–1931 and 1965–67). The run of 1965–1967 did not include the Super Bowls played after the 1966 and 1967 seasons when the AFL and NFL were still two separate leagues. For those four years, the Super Bowl winner generally used the title "World Champions."

That last claim is dubious. The Packers consider their twelve NFL championships to be "World Championships"[5], as has been common throughout history - NFL champs have been considered "World Champions"[6][7] or "world's professional champions"[8] going back to the early days of the League. "World Champions" was hardly created for the winner of the first four Super Bowls - instead, the NFL Championship was downgraded to just that and the Super Bowl took over from the NFL Championship Game as deciding the World Champs. For this section, I'm going to use World Champions with a link to the Packers' site, and remove that unsourced notion about use of the term. SixFourThree (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree

The number of league championships lists 12, but is marked with the symbol † "Does not include the AFL or NFL Championships won during the same seasons as the AFL-NFL Super Bowl Championships prior to the 1970 AFL-NFL Merger" I find this confusing and on other team articles, league championships with the same indication omit those prior to the 1970 merger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.228.40.120 (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Roster

As of 5 minutes ago, there are no nonexistant player pages on the roster.--Brandongilbert (talk) 02:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

"public company"

"but after the death of founder Lambeau in 1965, on September 11, 1965, the stadium was renamed Lambeau Field."  ???? someone fix please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.208.88 (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

why greenbay is called the packers..

i would love to know exactly what packers really mean.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.241.23 (talk) 02:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

It is there in the article: "The Green Bay Packers were founded on August 14, 1919 by former high-school football rivals Earl "Curly" Lambeau and George Whitney Calhoun. Lambeau solicited funds for uniforms from his employer, the Indian Packing Company. He was given $500 for uniforms and equipment, on the condition that the team be named for its sponsor." (emphasis added) Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Playoff apperance needs to be changed

The Packers have made the playoff's in the 2009 season as a wildcard, and needs to be shown on the home page where it is not shown there

Playoff apperance needs to be changed

The Packers have made the playoff's in the 2009 season as a wildcard, and needs to be shown on the home page where it is not shown there —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balooza (talk • contribs) 23:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Packers article locked perpetually?

The Packers article has been locked for as long as I can remember. Why exaclty does it remain locked forever.I don't see that with any other NFL team page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.120.209 (talk) 03:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Acme Packers

This article could mention how the Packers were the Acme Packers for one season, which is where they got the name Packers. Also, it could mention how the uniform colors used to be blue and gold/yellow. These things were talked about at Lambeau Filed when I visited there.Kramer14 (talk) 02:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)Kramer14

Except they weren't ever officially the "Acme Packers." They wore the team sponsor name across their chests, but the club's name never changed. The Packers' site used to make this very clear, but they deleted most of their history with the recent re-design. The site still has this text (emphasis mine):

First (Lambeau and Calhoun) talked Lambeau's employer -- a war-time industry called the Indian Packing Company, where he worked as a shipping clerk for $250/month -- into putting up money for jerseys.

Because the company provided jerseys and permitted the use of its athletic field for practice, the club was identified in its early publicity as a project of the company. With this tie-in, the name "Packers" was a natural, and Packers they have been ever since, although the Indian Packing Company had practically faded out of the picture before that first season was half over.

The team has officially been the "Packers" since 1919. If "Acme Packers" was ever used to describe the team (and not the sponsor), it was an unofficial nickname. SixFourThree (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree

Inaccurate Data

It says the packers have won 12 championships but have really won 14 when counted, 11 nfl championships and 3 superbowls.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.213.53 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The article basically separates the NFL Championship with the Super Bowl, as it probably should as the two aren't the same thing. In the intro it already specifies that they won 12 NFL championships and three super bowls; I don't think that we should combine the two, so I'm not sure that any changes need to be made. AlexiusHoratius 17:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The Packers themselves say they have won 12 Championships. I agree that no change is necessary. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 04:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Dude, its 12 because in 1966 and 1967 when they won NFL champiosip, the NFL champions went against AFL chanpions for super bowl. so you can't count them winning NFL chanmpionship in 1966 and 1967 and also the super bowl in those years as 2 different things. Gman124 ^talk 15:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

That's the difference between World Championships and NFL Championships. For most of the League's history the two have been synonymous, as the NFL represented the highest competition of the sport. But the first few Super Bowls, played during the brief period after the NFL and AFL agreed to a merger but before it was official, were between the NFL and AFL champs to determine the World Champions. So a team like the 1969 Vikings could be NFL Champions but not World Champions, or the 1966 Packers could be both. Before 1966 and after 1969, "NFL Champion" means World Champion. The Packers list their titles as World Championships. SixFourThree (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree

I moved the non-profit sentence.

It made no sense for that to be the topic sentence of a paragraph discussing their losing/winning streaks. The sentence made more sense in the paragraph describing their history as an organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenfrequed (talk • contribs) 18:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Inaccurate or Unclear Information

I removed the following sentence:

The Packers' 13 consecutive non-losing seasons was an active NFL record until the team finally suffered a losing campaign in 2005.

I did it because either it's wrong (the 49ers put together 16 consecutive non-losing seasons from '83-'98) or the distinction the editor is trying to make isn't clear thus leading to a misleading sentence. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 21:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• THERE IS A PAINFULLY OBVIOUS inconsistency in the Green Bay Packers article. It says in the section on Curly founding the team that he received $500 for equipment and uniforms. In the Uniforms section, this number is $250. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.236.114 (talk) 20:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Notacynic, 17 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} The listing of the Packers' Super Bowl championship seasons is inconsistent. The first two it lists as Super Bowl I and II (correct) with the years 1967 and 1968 (technically correct as the games were played in January of those years). However for their third Super Bowl championship Super Bowl XXXI is cited (correct) with the year 1996. While Super Bowl XXXI was the championship game for the 1996 season the game was actually played on January 26th, 1997. To remain consistent with the listing of the first two Super Bowls it should say 1997. Notacynic (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Notacynic (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I checked the other NFL teams, and they're all done that way. I've posted a request to look at this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League. --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Glsonn, 29 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} The following text under the subhead 2010 refers to Johnny Jolly... He is suspened for the entire season.

The spelling should be corrected this way... He is suspended for the entire season.

Glsonn (talk) 02:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Good catch. CTJF83 chat 18:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

"g" would stand for "greatness".

There is no valid reference for this statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.208.29 (talk) 20:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is a reference... http://www.dinesh.com/history_of_logos/nfl_logos/green_bay_packers_logo_-_design_and_history.html Dreammaker182 (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Which only repeats the information from this article. Word for word. So not a reliable source. SixFourThree (talk) 20:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)SixFourThree

More like this article repeats that one word for word.Zoro 1234 02:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Read what the author of the article says in the comments at the bottom. He "got it from Wikipedia". The only source I can find for "G standing for Greatness" is Tiki Barber's interviews with the Packers players... I think Tiki is joking. 24.69.71.254 (talk) 00:29, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Third oldest team? Really?

In the introductory paragraph, this article claims that the Packers are the third oldest team in the NFL. I am unable to verify this assertion, and would love for someone to substantiate it. The Cardinals are clearly oldest, having been founded in 1898. Who is the second oldest? The only candidate I can come up with is the Bears. But while the fact that the Bears were founded as the Staleys in 1919 is well documented, I have been utterly unable to lay my hands on a more specific date, and without said date it is impossible to tell if the Bears or Packers are older. If someone knows the answer to this, please email me: rich@world.std.com. (note that I am more interested in acquiring the datum than in advocating any particular changes for the Wikipedia pages). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.203.194 (talk) 04:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

The Bears and Cardinals are definitely the two oldest teams, as they are the only current NFL teams on the original NFL Charter. The Packers, Giants, and Redskins all followed a few years later, but I am not sure in what order. (my source: "Papa Bear: The Life and Legacy of George Halas" by Jeff Davis.) Regardless, the intro paragraph now says they are the 'second oldest team' and this is clearly incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.202.200.144 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the Packers were also founded in 1919, but, like the Cardinals, were originally founded as an amateur athletic club. The Packers did not actually join the NFL until 1921. IMO, I think the "controversy" comes into play when the Chicago Bears' official team and league records started to cite Halas as the "founder" as he took over control of the team in 1920, NOT when the Staleys were actually founded in 1919. I mean the Bears official site does not even mention one peep about their 1919 season,[9] while the Packers official site makes a big deal about their August 11, 1919 founding.[10] Therefore, I'm not at all surprised that there are no reliable sources that can give a specific date as to when the Staleys were founded in 1919... Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Even if the 1919 Staley team was the same as the one which eventually became the Bears (which the Bears deny), was that team founded before August 11? I think the Packers should be considered the second oldest unless and until some evidence can place the Staleys before that date. SixFourThree (talk) 20:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)SixFourThree

Edit request from 67.197.163.163, 2 February 2011

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Can someone add that the "G" on Green Bay's helmets stands for GREATNESS? I don't see this explained anywhere, and I assume most people think it stands for Green Bay. Thanks. 67.197.163.163 (talk) 16:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

 Question: Do you have any sources to prove that? Baseball Watcher 17:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: The "source" is an interview with Tiki Barber and is not reliable for this change. -Atmoz (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

typo correction request

Under ==Nickname, logo, and uniforms== This line: "the Packers have only done so only twice,"

Should read: "the Packers have only done so twice," OR "the Packers have done so only twice,"

Also, what about a citation for this fact?

Scotttroyer (talk) 06:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. -Atmoz (talk) 14:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)