Talk:Hurricane Arthur

Article

Why can we not first wait? I mean, less than 5 kb is not much, so the section was fine for what there was. I just mean we should wait for the information to outgrow its section then create an article. Dustin (talk) 20:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Good point, and you're thinking the right way, but AFAIK it is being edited as we speak. Give it a few hours at least. We can write a 10-15kb article on these easily. I think ppl find it easier just to make a storm article than to edit the season section. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 20:29, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Speculation

As of 6:30 pm EDT Thursday no warning has been given to Virginia, but if Arthur continues on present course it will be across Virginia by 2 pm Friday (although dissipated?). No warning to Virginia now means, on the eve of the 4th of July weekend, no effective warning to Virginia at all. This may have to appear in the Aftermath section when it is written. Simesa (talk) 22:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I stand corrected -- we show Tropical Storm Warnings for Virginia at 6:45 pm EDT, but NHC's 5 pm EDT plot does not. Simesa (talk) 22:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

CNN thinks Arthur will make landfall at Morehead City, North Carolina. Simesa (talk) 00:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Morehead City cited in [1] Simesa (talk) 02:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Without reading the whole situation. I would like to remind everyone about no original research. Piguy101 (talk) 03:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

NHC: "...EYE OF ARTHUR ABOUT TO MAKE LANDFALL NEAR CAPE LOOKOUT..." Cloudchased (talk) 03:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Assessment

Just so we can quickly resolve this issue, regarding the assessment, I set the importance to mid, Cloudchased changed it to low, then TropicalAnalystwx13 changed it back to mid. How do you decide things like this when two user's disagree? Thanks. This discussion shouldn't take long hopefully. Dustin (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Flip a coin, wait for damage totals to come out? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay. For now though, I personally would have thought mid would apply, but it doesn't hurt to wait. Since it has been changed to mid, I think we should wait. Dustin (talk) 04:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Missing before GA nomination

Not sure if anyone intends to GA nominate this anytime soon. It's in pretty good shape. The biggest things missing, however, are:

• Bahamas and Florida impact
• Damage total
• Economic cost

Some of this won't be available for a few days, however.

♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

We should definitely wait a few weeks before even considering GA nomination to see the whole impact of Arthur. Piguy101 (talk) 21:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for the TCR?--12george1 (talk) 22:04, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Nah, we didn't last year with a few storms. Once the TCR comes out, we'll update stuff, but it's pretty good to go. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Article location

Why is this at Hurricane Arthur and not Hurricane Arthur (2014)? There have been other storms named Arthur, and there is little chance the name will be retired given the damage reports. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

It was the only Hurricane Arthur though. Not to mention, it is arguably the most notable. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it was the only Hurricane Arthur. It is more important how the categories are done, though, because if a more significant Hurricane Arthur than this one was to occur in the future, then it would be a hassle to redo the category names. The categories are already done in that way though, so no issue there. If I made no sense, ask for clarity. Dustin (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Eh? You mean how the categories are sorted? – Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, like commons:Category:Hurricane Arthur (2014). It should be located there anyway, IMO, because if there was another Hurricane Arthur, especially a more significant one, then the category would have to be moved from commons:Category:Hurricane Arthur to commons:Category:Hurricane Arthur (2014) to allow more continued disambiguation. Was that clear? It wasn't particularly relevant for me to bring up Commons on Wikipedia, but yeah. Dustin (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, that should take about two minutes of somebody's time about six years from now. I wouldn't worry. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:11, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

We can change it then. To be honest, the categories aren't that important. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 22:14, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I don't know why they added the option to move categories when it won't even change the category links at pages in the category (it makes the feature next to useless), but that's too bad, I guess. (Post-edit conflict reply to YE) Please don't change it, it's a waste of time with Commons categories to remove dab. Dustin (talk) 22:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Somebody in the future will have the dedication to do it, don't worry about it.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 23:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Image

I don't think it is useful to have two landfall-based images in the article. I think an image of the actual post-tropical cyclone is far more useful than an image of half the Earth. Also, my image was actually relevant to the Canadian impacts section, and it is just a better image of Arthur IMO. Dustin (talk) 21:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Since this section now exists, if you think the image should be changed again, could you please bring it up here? Thank you. I myself should have been discussing here, but since we now have this section, I hope we can have a decent discussion here before making changes to the picture. Dustin (talk) 22:07, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't see the point in making such a big deal out of an image. Honestly, I don't prefer either--one (the extratropical image) is choppy while the other (the globe image) doesn't focus in on the storm. If we're going to debate about this, I'd suggest using this. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 22:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Not having a picture is okay, IMO. I don't see why we have to fight about one of the least concerning things.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 22:14, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "the extratropical image is choppy". What, the line where part of this image is kind of split? I don't think it would be good for the post-tropical impacts to include your linked image, although I will say that it isn't too major of an issue so long as we make sure not to keep on changing back and forth without discussion. I will admit that I am starting to tire of some of this back-and-forth stuff. Dustin (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the full-disk image does not show Arthur after landfall in North Carolina as has been stated, but rather shows the storm off the coast of Florida, near the Bahamas. I've marked it accordingly here. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Indirect fatality

According to CBC Arthur contributed to a death in New Brunswick. [2] --Kuzwa (talk) 17:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

"Light" reading for another time

Nova Scotia Utility and Review Board report on response to Post-Tropical Storm Arthur Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Arthur (2014)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 15:43, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

• Any reason you choose "became" and not "was" in the first sentence?
• "The storm then trekked swiftly northward" - looks more northeast
• Why no link to US$ in the lead?
• Where did the initial low form from? A front? A trough? Check the TCR, it has more on origins.
• How close did Arthur get to Florida?
• "completed its conversion to an extratropical system at 12:00 UTC as it moved over the Bay of Fundy.[8] The NHC subsequently issued its final advisory on the storm and shifted warning responsibility to the Canadian Hurricane Centre,[27] which reported that Arthur came ashore at Meteghan at 10:30 UTC" - so did Arthur move ashore while tropical according to CHC? Or was it ET there too? Just trying to figure out timing.
• Why no mention of the 1901 storm whose record Arthur broke? (earliest NC hurricane) (per TCR)
• The rainfall map shows the heaviest rainfall occurring in South Carolina, but there is no mention of the state

All in all a great read! It should be easy to fix up. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:43, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Hink! I think I got to everything, but could you double check my math on the damage total? Not sure why I got a $10 mil difference now from earlier. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)