Talk:Julius Streicher

Use of the word nazi

Frequently since the 1930's the word nazi has been used as a slang for the NSDAP and members of that organization. The word nazi is a slang and derogatory German word similar to redneck, hillbilly, hayseed or country bumpkin in English. It is NOT a proper noun and so should never be capitalized in English. It is not the name of any organization nor is it the name of the member of any organization. In the 1930's many Germans ridiculed the NSDAP by calling them nazis. Since Germans capitalize improper nouns, English speaking journalists thought they were using the actual name of the organization. Due to this mistranslated or misunderstanding of the German language, people who speak English thought that the name of the political party was "Nazi" when that was never it's name. It was always the NSDAP. It is historically incorrect for any encyclopedic article to use a slang term when a correct historical term is available. Just because the public is used to using slang does not mean an encyclopedic article should. Encyclopedic articles should be written correctly and with historic and scholarly accuracy. Using phrases like "prominent Nazi" or "Nazi war machine" is like saying "prominent redneck" or "hayseed war machine." See how silly that sounds when you correctly render it using English words? For this reason I am proposing removing the word "nazi" from all wikipedia articles about the NSDAP except when used in the proper context.

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It is nothing mentioned about any direct victims ( either personally murdered or as a result of a personal order). Yet Streicher was sentenced to death. Was it the result of the jewish vengeance against him? There has been nothing criminal pointed out against him but propaganda. Nobody kills for words.

If the Charlie Hebdo killers wanted to find a precedent for killing people engaging in hate speech with a deeply offensive lewd undercurrent, they would need to look no further than the Streicher sentence. If anti-Muslim pogroms broke out in France the situation would be exactly the same. Streicher arguably bore some responsibility for whipping up the sentiments that led to pogroms, but was marginalized before the "final solution" was put in motion.75.111.20.66 (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

You are right. It is a severe breach of NPOV that the revenge aspect of his sentence is excluded from the article, in order to present a lighter picture of Streicher's executioners. It is accepted that had Streicher been tried lawfully he would have been protected by his right to freedom of speach. JewishNationalSocialist (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

^ My thoughts as well. He was killed for hating jews and hating jews is still a crime in Germany today. It's a shame Israel lives and the Reich died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.178.223 (talk) 04:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

^You're a disgusting human being. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladycplum (talk • contribs) 16:12, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

From the article:

Despite having a tested IQ of 106, he was considered by many observers to be insane.

Sadly, low IQ and mental illness do not follow 1:1. In fact madness very commonly affects very intelligent people (although some cope with it better). Can we throw out the bit about Streicher's IQ? JFW | T@lk 23:23, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Having seen no response, I took out the bit about IQ.

-Vorpalbla 2/20/05

Well, if the IQ part is true, it should be mentioned in the article. But, it should be clear that IQ has nothing to do with mental illness.--Havermayer 00:32, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

An IQ of 106 is nothing to write home about, but it is more than one SD above the average African-American IQ of 85. And the average white American IQ is about 100.

Falange (talk) 14:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it is irrelevant. JFW | T@lk 01:20, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The following quote from the book by Airey Neave is probably apposite here though:

• "Two weeks after serving the indictment, I introduced him to Dr Marx of Nuremberg who represented him as counsel during the trial. Marx found his attitudes so extreme that he asked the tribunal to order Streicher's examination by a panel of psychiatrists. Streicher lectured the psychiatrists on the Jewish problem throughout the examination. They decided that he was suffering from a neurotic obsession but was not insane. Dr Gilbert summed up the case : 'No true psychiatric diagnosis, but this man is of a personality structure which borders on the frankly abnormal and which brought him into difficulties even in the pathological social environment of the Third Reich' ..." Nuremberg, P. 95

Dr Gilbert seems to contradict himself - part of the prosecution maybe?

It has to be said that Neave, when writing the chapter in his book on Streicher, viewed the man with undisguised loathing. Given the character of Streicher, and the legacy he left in his wake, it would be difficult to find many redeeming features with which to present a more sober and balanced view, and Neave's own personal encounters with the man during the progress of the Nuremberg Trials almost certainly resulted in a certain jaundiced view, as Streicher felt no need to endear himself to his enemies. Even with this in mind, Neave's open contempt for Streicher is, if perhaps less than ideal in a book aiming to be at least a partly historical account, refreshingly honest. Neave cites extracts from Der Stürmer and other Streicher writings, including a piece from a 1935 article entitled Alien Albumen which does, quite frankly, read like the ravings of a madman, so it is not surprising that a view of Streicher as insane enjoyed considerable circulation among his contemporaries. I could quote this piece as printed in Neave's book, but to be honest, I suspect many readers of the piece will feel the need to take a long shower afterwards - it is that bad.

Neave also cites details of the web of financial corruption within which Streicher was entangled, enriching himself at the expense of Jews deprived of their property, an investigation into said corruption being ordered by Hermann Goering after Streicher published a piece claiming that Goering's daughter Edda was conceived by artificial insemination. I think it is fair to say, given the details of Streicher's life, that the man seemed to have been hell-bent on acquiring for himself the epithet of "World's dirtiest old man", particularly as even the Nazis found themselves moved to put him on trial for sexual offences ... Calilasseia 10:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

From the article:

...ten evil men were hanged on that day...

This is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias should never present moral judgements of real people as if they were facts, no matter how great a consensus exists. --Rwehr 23:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Whip

I have heard that while in charge of Nuremberg, he would personally "police" the streets and dispense "instant justice" with a whip. The article at present makes no mention of this. Who was whipped, for example? Some real criminals or just Jews and people who got in his way?

• Neave mentions this on more than one occasion in his book. If I turn to the chatper of Nuremberg entitled The Beast Of Nuremberg (pp.86 96), we find the following:
  • "Streicher had been imprisoned on one occasion [under the Nazis] for assaulting a boy prisoner while on an official visit to the cells. He had arrived with two fellow sadists who had watched him while he beat the prisoner with a whip. He then announced that it gave him an orgasm." (p.87)
  • "Streicher's teachings were repeated by others in more respectable form. Generals, admirals and diplomats assured the Nuremberg Tribunal of their disgust at his writings, but even after he was deprived of his office for corruption, they never denounced his propaganda. Repugnant though the lewd figure of Streicher, strutting through the streets of Nuremberg, whip in hand, may have been, they shared his essential beliefs. The laughed at his brutal jokes." (p.91)
• The central premise of Neave's biographical account is that Streicher was an arch sex criminal with a neurotic anti-Semitic obsession intimately woven between the threads of his lurid provlicities. For example:
  • "When Gauleiter Streicher finallly came unstuck in 1940, and was forced by Hitler to retire, it ws not his sexual misconduct which forced the Party bosses to action. They were prepared to overlook his more harmless eccentricities, like walking to his office in bathing trunks. It was the cesspool of corruption and embezzlement in which he had lived for years that led to the investigation." (p.95)
  • "He was like an ape exposing himself in a cage at the zoo. He was said by the prosecution to have boasted to his chauffeur of nightly wet dreams and exhibited the semen to prove it." (p.86)
  • "Streicher was familiar with the Palace of Justice and its courtoom. He had already been tried there and in other courts more than once for slander, sadism and rape. Hitler at first protected him from further penalties." (p.86)
  • "At first sight, Streicher, as his cell door opened, seemed insignificant. He was small and strongly built, being sixty at the time. He wore a khaki shirt and trousers. The shirt was open showing a very hairy chest. There was a peculiar light in his eyes. When exicted, they had the look of a hungry animal. Streicher was primarily a sex criminal. He said when he arrived at Nuremberg, 'I have of course been here before'." (p.87)
  • "He looked, as Rebecca West as written, like the 'sort of old man who gives trouble in parks'." (p.87)
• While it may not be the place of the encyclopedia to pass moral judgements (alluding to the commentator above this section), by any reasonable standards, Streicher was a severely degenerate man. Neave went on to describe him thus:
  • "He was standing, hands on hips, chin forward, ready for an argument. He was five feet, two inches tall, broad-chested, and sordid. He would have made a good subject for an indecent sixteenth-century woodcut. It was easy to imagine him as a fat, horned devil, advancing, erect, upon a virgin." (p.87)
• And then this:
  • "The man himself was less dramatic. His head was shaped like a bullet, with a receding forehead. His nose was curved and his chin pointed. His short, fat neck made him look both coarse and evil: a professional torturer who might have operated the Iron Maiden of Nuremberg. When stripped to the waist, he appeared immensely strong for his age. A man, I thought, capable of any cruelty. He was also, I felt, stupid and cunning, and as the Nazis themselves discovered, a consummate liar." (p.88)
• Indeed, as I have alluded above, it is tempting to ponder upon the notion that Streicher seemed to be an avid competitor for the title of 'dirtiest old man of all time', and while commentators from a more academic background may have displayed a greater circumpsection with respect to revealing their disgust at the man, Neave's personal insights into Streicher provide a study in what might be termed 'the repugnant fasciantion of evil'. Calilasseia 04:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Is Neave to be believed, or his sources? Strange for a man of such low IQ and "well known depravity" to rise so high and accomplish so much. He was a propagandist, the history about him smells of propaganda too.

107 is an IQ which is actually higher than average. But low compared to Goering's 137. So that should say something... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.24.35.55 (talk) 14:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

An IQ of 106 is nothing to write home about, but it is more than one SD above the average African-American IQ of 85. And the white American average IQ is about 100.

Falange (talk) 13:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

During the trial the other defendants, who, to a man, despised Streicher, refused to have anything to do with him. ??? Almost unreadable.

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In what way is this confusing? It means that the other defendants hated Streicher and refused to have anything to do with him during the trial.

Wonder if there are any official source about other defendants' disdain over Streicher? I feel that he is somehow like Josef Mengele on whom with unusally numerous emotional remarks and thus quoting of official soruce seems to be desriable.

The German Socialist Party

By the standards of Weimar Germany, the German Socialist Party (Deutschsozialistische Partei) was a party of the political right. It had nothing to do with the real socialist parties (the Social Democrats or the Communists, or their various splinter groups). Instead, it was a völkisch party very close to the Nazis in ideology. See Joachim Fest's Hitler, for example, on this (p. 139 of the paperback edition). It competed with the Nazis for the same part of the political spectrum. When Streicher concluded that Hitler was his superior, the DSP was simply absorbed into the NSDAP. Any member of one of the socialist parties of the period would have viewed the DSP (as well as, of course, the NSDAP) as right wing rather than socialist. Bytwerk 13:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

More on the German Socialist Party

OK, anonmous. In your first edit, you confuse the DSP with the SPD. In your second edit, you think it is Fascist, though Mussolini had yet to take power in Italy, and the term was not in use in Germany. In your third edit, you claim that the DSP was not right ring, but socialist, but provide no support. Later, to support your assertion, you provide a source that does not even mention the DSP. Furthermore, at least according to the Wikipedia article on the Far Right, Murray Rothbard, the author of that piece, puts Fascism on the right, so citing him as your evidence may not be too persuasive.

The terms right and left were widely used in the Weimar Republic. The DSP and the Nazis thought themselves to the right. The Socialists and the Communists thought so, too. A standard Marxist slogan from the period was "Der Feind steht rechts," which translates as "The enemy is to the right."

There are a few folk who do argue that Nazism, etc., were "left," but they are are in the decided minority. None of them, to my knowledge, knows anything at all about the DSP. Moreover, to insert the term in the article without explanation will confuse readers, since the historical consensus puts the DSP on the right wing.

If you want to make the claim, find a source that actually mentions the DSP in a way that agrees with you. And how about providing some evidence for "socialist" views on the part of the DSP? The fact that "socialist" is in the name does not make it socialist in reality, any more than the name of East Germany (the German Democratic Republic) made it a democracy. Bytwerk 13:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Bytwerk, the point I am making is this: The nascent/contributatory parties to the NSDAP were fundamentally socialist in their doctrine and ideology. As the distinguished Professor Rothbard states in the article I referred you to "Or rather, to be more precise, there were from the beginning two different strands within socialism: one was the right-wing, authoritarian strand, from Saint-Simon down, which glorified statism, hierarchy, and collectivism and which was thus a projection of conservatism trying to accept and dominate the new industrial civilization. The other was the left-wing, relatively libertarian strand, exemplified in their different ways by Marx and Bakunin, revolutionary and far more interested in achieving the libertarian goals of liberalism and socialism; but especially the smashing of the state apparatus to achieve the “withering away of the State” and the “end of the exploitation of man by man.”" Very few people understand this about socialism, and even fewer understand the genesis of the terms 'liberal', 'conservative' and 'left/right-wing.' It would be nice if this Wikipedia article could aim just a little higher at clarity. Mind you, when Dr. Rothbard uses 'conservative' he's speaking of the ancien regime. So, to state a-priori that the DSP was simply right-wing is misleading in the fullest sense of the term. If you'd like to remove the subjectivity, then I'll not insist on correcting it. Just leave it as "established German Socialist Party (Deutschsozialistische Partei)." and you won't hear anything more from me on the subject. Anonmous 16:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The program of the DSP included these main elements: "demands for a Greater Germany, land and colonies, discirimination against Jews and denial of citizenship to them, breaking 'interest slavery', confiscation of war profits, land reform, protection of the middle class, persecution of profiteers, and tight regulation of the press." As Ian Kershaw points out, these elements were standard for the völkisch Right. (Kershaw, Hitler 1889-1936, pp. 144-145.) You are insisting on the view of a rather small minority, and you have yet to provide a single source that suggests the DSP was socialist in any commonly used sense of the term. Bytwerk 14:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Julius was a leader of the socialist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.158.216.123 (talk) 17:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Streicher's Execution

Any record of who the hangman was. Many of the hangings were done by the official English hangman ( 100s of hangings). Most/many of the hangings seem to have been botched - were they botched intentionally? Was the crowd that "interrogated" them the same crowd that hung them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.105.80.141 (talk) 15:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the hangman at Nuremburg was an American soldier who was brought in for the job. It wasn't Pierrepoint, who was the leading British hangman. I'll look it up. Darkmind1970 (talk) 11:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The hangman was Master Sergeant John Woods. Lots of people said the hangings were botched, have you seen the pics of some of the other men? They have blood all over their faces, that doesn't seem normal when a "merciful" hanging is supposed to instantly snap the neck and BOOM! Yer dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.181 (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

According to nitzor - his magazine Der Strumer was closed down by the Nazis on 3 or 4 occasions. Doesn't this cast into doubt its being a Nazi paper? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.105.80.141 (talk) 19:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Ya for de stumer was for the nazi gobbels what is for Julie stricher his whip gool.109.58.143.200 (talk) 15:57, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

According to what I've read, from a book written by Gitta Sereny, it was shut down during the 1936 Olympics, and was shut down only once before that for insulting Emmy Goering because she still did a lot of her shopping in Jewish-owned stores. Ladycplum (talk) 02:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Streicher was such a fanatical anti-semite that many Nazis considered Der Sturmer to be vulgar. For instance, Hoess, the commandant of Auschwitz remarks in Gilbert's Nuremberg Diary that he never read it, but preferred the "more mature" speeches of Hitler and Goebbels. Furthermore, Gilbert classifies Streicher's antisemitism as a neurosis. He brings it into every conversation, and even remarks that he is adept at "detecting Jews," specifically by observing their buttocks.

Still, even though many Nazis considered themselves too civilized to read it, there is no doubt that Der Sturmer was a "Nazi paper," considering that Streicher was a Nazi, and was appointed by Hitler.68.163.249.192 (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Purimfest 1946

This quote of Streicher's does not refer to a new holiday but rather to the fact that, just as Haman's 10 sons were hanged, 10 leading Nazis, or sons of Hitler, were being hanged —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.112.150 (talk) 18:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The attempt to find supposed mystery "codes" in completely unrelated things (putting aside the Biblical book of "Esther" has been judged to be entirely fictional by academics, to start with) was long ago refuted [1]

Seems quite similar to other people who find "codes" in all sorts of other things as well. [2]

quote about palestine/israel

I once saw on TV that streicher in the end said something like "I want to go to israel and fight along the jews because the will win in the end" some time before his execution. I have not been able to find this quote here or on wikiquote.--130.251.167.31 (talk) 09:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

No source for this.Historylover4 (talk) 17:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Torture By Allied Troops

[U.S. Army Intelligence Captain John) Dolibois later related that Streicher complained bitterly of his treatment at the hands of American soldiers before his transfer to Mondorf. Evidently his notoriety as a fanatic racial persecutor was known to the troops at Freising. Streicher claimed that he and his wife were forced by some black American soldiers to walk in public stripped of their clothes. These soldiers allegedly spat on them and extinguished cigarettes on their bare skin. At Mondorf, an unconfirmed report was circulated stating that some soldiers had taken photographs that showed Streicher dressed only in an open coat, with swollen testicles and a crown of thorns on his head with a sign draped over his neck with the words "Julius Streicher, King of the Jews." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.251.8 (talk) 03:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Guantanamo! And in WWII Americans were gangs and terrorists №1.--109.172.58.15 (talk) 11:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Stop deleting

During his trial he was also repeatedly tortured by allied soldiers who ordered him to take off his clothes in his cell, burned his skin with cigarettes, the only water he was allowed to drink was water from the toilet and if he refused to drink it he would be beaten with a whip. Some of the soldiers also spit at him and forced his mouth open to spit in it.

I have sources for this, now TWO sources, dont delete this, it is very well known that they tortured him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.93.43 (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The evidence on mistreatment is pre-trail — during the Nuremberg trials themselves, I know of no evidence of mistreatment during the trial. Bytwerk (talk) 22:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? During the trials he told his advocate that he was being tortured like this and they brought it up in the trials but the judges and all basically just ignored it. So no facts that comes up after any event should be mentioned on wikipedia or what do you mean? I add this again as I have sources in form of book(s) and webpage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.93.43 (talk) 00:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I added yet ANOTHER source, now one article, one book and one homepage, what more is needed?--83.248.93.43 (talk) 00:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

My point is that the way you have it, Streicher was mistreated during the Nuremberg Trials. The statement he made applied to his treatment after his arrest, but before the trial began. Bytwerk (talk) 02:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you just copy the text I add to this article and put it in right place instead of deleting? I dont know where to put it, but it IS true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.93.43 (talk) 15:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I did that. Look at the end of the section titled "Fall from power". Bytwerk (talk) 21:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

If you're the author of the one cited source, adding other sources would be preferable. It's a pretty serious accusation, and the source isn't on the internet for people to explore further. John2510 (talk) 20:26, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

removal of photo of body

I am apologizing before anyone says anything (altho I am sure they will) but I feel it is very important to discuss, and until the discussion is complete and the issue resolved, remove the shocking photos that are in I think every article about a Nazi executed.

There is no need for such gruesomeness imho and if there actually is, then a warning needs to be placed, or alternately, some user configuration to allow individuals to decide whether they want to see such things.

In any event, I will hold off for a while, but I do want this discussed. I actually see these death photos as almost a kind of vandalism.--Jrm2007 (talk) 09:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see anything particularly gruesome about these images, and they aren't vandalism. Streicher was hanged, the image shows this quite well, and is an important historical record.Mtsmallwood (talk) 03:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I think a photo of someone hanged is gruesome and it seems to me that the fact that he was hanged sufficient -- what information is gained by showing the photograph?--Jrm2007 (talk) 12:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Since this is broader than merely the Streicher article, I have started a topic at the Village Pump.--Jrm2007 (talk) 12:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I followed that discussion to here. Given the number of other photos illustrating the article, and the morbid nature of the photo, I would favor its removal. Wikipedia isn't censored, but I don't think it needs to pander to necrophiles either. There doesn't seem to be much doubt that he was hanged. The photo doesn't illustrate much. On the other hand... it's pretty small and not particularly graphic. It's relatively innocuous, as such pictures go, but I'd favor removal. John2510 (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it was a mistake for me to have started with any particular article and I should have simply gone to the Village Pump at the beginning although I guess the Streicher article really got me thinking -- they hanged a man for anti-semitism, basically. But maybe this IS a reason to keep the photo of Streicher, to show the brutality of capital punishment and let people consider why indeed he was hanged. So have I made a 180? Was I disturbed by the idea that nazis hanged were shown postmortem because it is okay to show terrible people killed in brutal ways, even unjustly? --Jrm2007 (talk) 06:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

This was here because it's a part of the historical record, and it should stay not because of some one person's anti-capital punishment agenda but for the original reason. Besides, if you check out WP:NOTCENSORED, it explains how this is permissible in general. Blue Danube (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

There are plenty of wrongly executed people that you should defend, but this perverted, hate mongering man is not one of them. This is irrelevant to the article, I just want to share my advice.137.22.99.108 (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

From the original article  "In essence, the prosecutors took the line that Streicher's incendiary speeches and articles made him an accessory to murder, and therefore as culpable as those who actually ordered the mass extermination of Jews (such as Hans Frank and Ernst Kaltenbrunner)."

Would it be possible to reference any evidence be that letters, or documents bearing in mind that the Nazis recorded every last detail ,that Hans Frank or Ernest Kaltenbrunner ordered any mass extermination of Jews just because they were Jews? Otherwise this statement just seems to be propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterbishop1 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Kingsbury Smith, not Howard Kingsbury Smith, was the INS reporter at the Nuremberg hangings

The article says Howard K. Smith was the INS reporter at the Nuremberg executions, but according to pages 127 and 128 of "Complete biographical encyclopedia of Pulitzer Prize winners, 1917-2000 ..." By Heinz Dietrich Fischer, Erika J. Fischer, the reporter's name was Joseph Kingsbury Smith. Googling

"kingsbury smith" nuremberg fischer pulitzer

will take you to these pages in Google Books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.168.168 (talk) 03:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I tried to add the following sourced information which a filter prevented

The German Socialist Party (Deutsch-Sozialistische Partei, DSP) was created in May 1919 as an initiative of Rudolf von Sebottendorf as a child of the Thule society, and its program was based on the ideas of the mechanical engineer Alfred Brunner (1881-1936) - including socialist ideas like the takeover of the financial sector by the state and cutting back the "interest-based economy". Leading members of the DSP were Hans Georg Müller, Max Sesselmann and Dr. Friedrich Wiesel, the first two being editors of the Münchner. Julius Streicher founded his local branch in 1919 in Nuremberg. Streicher's arguments were primitive, vulgar, and crude, but he believed in what he said and was an uninhibited, wild agitator, to whom masses would listen, which was what mattered to the party. The DSP was officially inaugurated in April 1920 in Hanover . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.230.188.175 (talk) 12:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

It just worked -- adding sentence by sentence. 79.230.188.175 (talk) 12:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The torture of Juliua Streicher

I added a video clip in which Julius Streicher tells the court how their soldiers tortured him before they killed him, but a user named Noommos deleted the entry saying its not helpful. I said to Noommos that deliberately not mentioning how Streicher was tortured was in effect lying, because it hides evidence that suggests the trial was an act of savagery rather than justice, but Noommos deleted my entry again.

Here is Streicher telling the court how its soldiers beat him on the testicles, pulled his hair out, burned him on his body with burning cigarettes and then forced him to drink from a toilet bowel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rcBM_w-2K8

I would like to have Noommos or someone else from wikipedia justify their deliberate falsification of the the truth to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgg804 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC) --109.172.58.15 (talk) 11:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but here I cannot find anything of Streicher talking about torture or testicles. Could you supply us with a reliable source? Jeff5102 (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Guntanamo! The United States were in WW2 stupid manyaks and World Nazi-Terrorists №1.

Jeff: You must be stupid. You show a document from Yale Law School that you say does not talk about torture and I show a video of Streicher telling the court very clearly, in convincing words that he has been tortured and his testicles were beaten and you claim that because it isn't in some document it didn't happen. Are you a moron? It has been established repeatedly that the allies doctored and forged documents, left out what they didn't like and put in things that never happened. It has been established that the allies tortured many of the German prisoners and the Jew's in the British army that tortured Rudolf Hoss (commandant of Auschwitz)even bragged about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.4.229.43 (talk) 07:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

How curious that the camera cuts away from all of Streicher's comments. If it is indeed so easy to forge historical record, how much easier it must be to forge audio for a youtube video.

Neopagan label

What warrants the neopagan label? --41.151.22.132 (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that is some funny **** right there, it's racist in itself to call these people neopagan, they were christian and their haters are christian or jewish, of course they want to cover that up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.94.84 (talk) 07:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC) Julius was not Christian but neopagan. And so called "Der Stuermer" was for NSADAP of Hitler as "Charlie Hebdo" for Marine Le Pen--109.172.58.15 (talk) 11:40, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Was Julius Streicher Jewish?

Streicher's mother was named Weiss, and he married a Roth. Both are traditionally Jewish names. Was Streicher Jewish? If anyone has research, it seems worth adding to the article. 62.178.65.8 (talk) 06:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I am a genealogist and have not found anything regarding his genealogy. I can tell you that the normal policy was that if you had a single grandparent that was Jewish you were considered Jewish and treated accordingly. But I can also tell you that German genealogical documents under the nazis were far from perfect. Also there were a handful of rare exceptions made to the general policy of extermination. Supposedly Hitler had a Jewish doctor whom Hitler referred to as a "good Jew." I have heard of a handful of high ranking nazis who had Jewish blood they kept hidden so while I offer no proof I will say it was possible that Streicher may have had Jewish blood. As a genealogist I have also found that the concept of pure blood is borderline ludicrous. Nearly everyone whose family tree I have looked up, especially those claiming to be pure this or pure that, has mixed ancestry to some extent. It is most likely that the vast majority of nazis need only go back 4 or 5 generations to find some Jewish ancestors. This is because Judaism was very common in pre nazi Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.213.97 (talk) 05:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Trial and execution an injustice

It seems that Julius Streicher was killed because of his views, not for any crime. In essence, "prosecutors contended that Streicher's articles and speeches were so incendiary that he was an accessory to murder". Is that not a war crime, to kill him for his views? Has there been any criticism of the persecution of Streicher?122.59.167.152 (talk) 23:18, 10 July 2015 (UTC)