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Marxism

where could I go to learn more about Marxism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.162.89.2 (talk) 11:33, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[1], [2], and [3] should do well as a basic introduction. [4] describes historical materialism. [5] covers the basics of value, price, and profit in the labour theory of value, and you can go further by looking into Capital, Volume I. Then, you can look into crisis theory, or look through [6]. Σσς(Sigma) 23:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

minor phrasing change to first sentence

I can't seem to figure out how to edit this article, but I would like to propose a minor change to the first sentence. As it reads now: "Marxism is a socio-economic and political worldview or inquiry based on..." I would suggest changing "... or inquiry based on ..." to "...or _mode of_ inquiry based on...". I believe this new phrasing flows better and is more appropriate to the context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.35.145 (talk) 04:02, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it needs editing bad. The whole first part looks like somebody was mentally masturbating in public.

--108.216.66.44 (talk) 21:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

This page currently opens: Marxism is a socio-economic and political worldview or inquiry based on a materialist interpretation of historical development, a dialectical view of social transformation, an analysis of class-relations and conflict within society. Marxist methodology informs an economic and sociopolitical enquiry applying to the analysis and critique of the development of capitalism and the role of class struggle in systemic economic change.

These sentences are inaccessible. While I see that this has been brought up in the archive, users who raise this concern seem to either be ignored or told that there's no problem.

First, "a socio-economic and political worldview or inquiry" is linguistically vague - what clauses are the "or" connecting? Is our choice between a socio-economic and political worldview or an inquiry? Is it between worldview that is both socio-economic and political or an inquiry? Or is it just a choice between the political worldview or an inquiry?

Furthermore, what does "socio-economic" mean in this context? Is this distinct from the political? Doesn't a list which includes "an analysis of class-relations and conflict within society" imply both of these descriptors anyway?

We then learn that Marxist methodology (methodology relating to what? practice? action? what is a Marxist method? why is methodology being discussed in the second sentence when it isn't mentioned again until the last paragraph of the entire article?) informs an "economic and sociopolitical 'enquiry'". So once the reader has wrapped their head around the "socio-economic and political... inquiry," they are then instructed to comprehend an "economic and sociopolitical" approach. Is this supposed to be significant? I have absolutely no idea.

I believe the opening paragraph should follow in the footsteps of Kantian ethics - describe Marxism as an influential economic and political theory put forth by Karl Marx in the first sentence and provide a very brief summary of major concepts (historical materialism, dialectics, class conflict, critique of capitalism). Thoughts? I don't feel that opening unclear prose and barrage of jargon is something that blue links can successfully satisfy. --Lunar Jesters (talk) 17:17, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Like many wiki articles, the lead is full of jargon and does not satisfy the conditions set out at wp:lead : "the lead should be written in a clear, accessible style". Poujeaux (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]