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Voting selfies

While I noticed there were a good share of articles as well as controversy regarding the "voting selfie", would it merit more of a mention in the article?--DrWho42 (talk) 05:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's a full article at Ballot selfie now. --McGeddon (talk) 19:41, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Angles to take Selfies

The most popular angle to take the selfie is side ways, as it enhances the features of the face and makes the subject look more attractive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhavna.mishra (talk • contribs) 14:07, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Innerspace was the first movie to feature a selfie although it was with a Polaroid camera.

See this article from ABC. Quote: "Wisbrod says Dennis Quaid was the first actor, as far as he knows, to bring the selfie to the big screen, in the 1987 film, “Innerspace,” costarring Meg Ryan and Martin Short." The scene happens at the beginning of the movie, Quaid's character takes the selfie with a female lab assistant before he is miniaturized. Someone Not Awful (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Still of the scene on Imgur. It happens roughly 13 minutes into the movie. Someone Not Awful (talk) 21:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Defining the selfie.

I noticed that the lead has no source outside of pronunciation. There appears to be no consensus among sources throughout the article which would support the lead. There appears to be little consensus at all. [This] article from The Getty speaks with a curator and a writer about whether a selfie is a self-portrait (as stated in the lead). It concludes that a selfie can be a self-portrait and that either can be art, but that not all are art, nor are all selfies self-portraits. The article is responded to [here] "It is important to remember these images are shared as part of a conversation, a series of contextual interactions and are connected to the selfie-maker in an intimate, embodied and felt way. We are allowed to leave these elements out of our reading of artist’s self-portraits." It also points to research into the psychology of selfies, which would also contrast with self-portraiture, as it is not such a prevalent social norm. Indeed data scraping and other business tactics engage with selfies in an [extreme] way. [This] article from a photo editor writing at the National Geographic strongly agrees: "Self-portraits are not selfies. They are beautiful and revealing. The good ones are extremely difficult to make." As such a self-portrait is not satisfied by the clicking of a button by a robot or a monkey, and is less likely to have been taken in space, or by simply holding a camera at arms length and clicking 15 times, or by accident.(sidenote: are all 15 shots selfies, or just the ones selected for sharing?) Also, wikipedia doesn't have a list of self-portrait-related injuries and deaths. Also, wikipedia limits self-portraits to artists. Sources in the history section of this page refer to them interchangeably, but the lead also says they're typically digital and uploaded, which is not historically possible (i.e. the lead is contradicting its sources). Also the lead says selfies are usually flattering and made to appear casual which is hardly true portraiture, especially historically.

Furthermore, a quick google search will show multitudes of essays, blogs, 'news' articles about what is and is not a selfie, and there is little sense of agreement. Definitions are different in AP stylebook, the OED, and wiktionary (which differentiates between definition and usage). [This] in-depth article suggest the term selfie has become "an "anachronym," a word or phrase that remains in usage even as behaviors change", which, if true, would make it hard to assert any meaningful definition. The Guardian [reports], "Selfie may yet become the latest anachronym, a phrase meaning a photo taken of oneself, but crucially retaining the second half of that dictionary definition: “with a smartphone or webcam and uploaded to a social media website”." Though its own style guide disagrees, saying any photo you took with you in it is a selfie. [The Society Pages] goes through a number of offered definitions, many of which are offered in essays from the International Journal on Communication. The Washington Post [said]: "Regardless of who’s in the photo, the majority ruled, only the person physically holding the camera(phone) gets to call it a “selfie.”" Distancing themselves from the word buy quoting it, and suggesting that a selfie is only a selfie if it is your selfie. It seems problematic to say a selfie is what the sources say it is, if they do not agree with one another or even that it is a word that can be said to describe any static set of behaviors.

I am requesting a discussion on how to define and reliably source this lead, and whether or not all the above discussion qualifies 'prominent controversy' which should be included in the lead as stated in WP:LEAD. As such, I will also place a cite check on the article. Fiachaire (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

killfie

I've heard about the name they started to give to mortal selfie, killfie. There is also some software development to detect critical area to take a selfie based on the difference in altitude of neighboring points. I'm not saying this is important, but I came to the article to read if there was anything else also here on wikipedia. So I guess soon or later some sentences about the topic should be included.--Alexmar983 (talk) 03:07, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2017

Can you please change the selfie photo in the page to the one below? My girl friend who is a selfie addict would jump with joy if she represented the word selfie on Wiki. Please help a man out, I can't afford a big diamond. This would do it, though.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Ammu_DU_Selfie.jpg Sns.siva (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. JTP (talk • contribs) 19:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The feminist perspective on selfies should be headed as such.

The subsection currently named "Gender roles, sexuality, and privacy" is nothing more than the feminist perspective on selfies and NOT the scientific consensus of the impact of selfies on gender roles, sexuality and privacy. Which is what you'd expect to see in a section called Sociology.

Given feminism's popularity and importance in today's society and given feminists interest in promoting their perspective on selfies, I may be willing to concede that having a paragraph that explains their perspective is relevant to this article. However, it should be labelled as such and be written using the appropriate point of view (feminists believe X, as opposed to X is the truth). 78.34.250.11 (talk) 20:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Statement on revenge porn is incorrectly attributed to Andrew Keen

The second phrase of the paragraph implies that the entire opinion stated is that of Andrew Keen. However, the opinion attributed to him is in fact in two parts, the first part is interpreted from short out of context quotes sourced from an article written by Megan Murphy and the second part comes from Megan Murphy herself.

The Andrew Keen reference should be removed entirely along with what may or may not be his opinion (IMO it likely is, but given that the very first paragraph of his wikipedia entry says: "Keen is especially concerned about the way that the current Internet culture undermines the authority of learned experts and the work of professionals." I think it behooves us to err on the side of caution.)

The rest of the opinion can remain but should be correctly attributed to Megan Murphy.

So, I propose that the phrase:

Writer Andrew Keen has pointed out that while selfies are often intended to give the photographer control over how their image is presented, posting images publicly or sharing them with others who do so may have the opposite effect—dramatically so in the case of revenge porn, where ex-lovers post sexually explicit photographs or nude selfies to exact revenge or humiliate their former lovers.

be replaced with

Feminist writer Megan Murphy has pointed out that posting images publicly or sharing them with others who do so may have a dramatic effect in the case of revenge porn, where ex-lovers post sexually explicit photographs or nude selfies to exact revenge or humiliate their former lovers.


78.34.250.11 (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Which paragraph are you talking about here? Furthermore, I recommend a consensus, as the original author of the paragraph might not be in agreement. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Accessories section: deleted text

I deleted the following:

Another device that has become popular among consumers and many celebrities is the LuMee phone case. This was created in 2011 by Allan Shoemaker, professional photographer, after he realized that because of lighting issues some selfies were terrible quality. The phone case contains the perfect amount of lights around the front of the phone to illuminate the users face while taking a selfie. The idea came about when Shoemaker decided everyone looked good in a makeup mirror, therefor he replicated that in the form a phone case. Once Kim Kardashian got a hold of the LuMee case everyone had to have one. The LuMee phone case creates the perfect picture changing the selfie game.

Aside from being rather badly written, this paragraph appears to have been inserted purely to advertise the product in question. The language is non-encyclopedic in tone and makes grand claims without citation. Did Kim Kardashian really "get a hold of" a LuMee case? Does everyone "have to have one"? Does it really "create the perfect picture"? 206.208.104.20 (talk) 18:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2018

Recent studies examining the relationship between personality and selfie-posting behaviors suggest that extraversion and social exhibitionism positively predict frequency of selfie posting, whereas self-esteem is generally unrelated to selfie-posting behaviors.[1]. Activity in posting selfies is related to particular psychological characteristics, i.e. social exhibitionism and extraversion, but not self-esteem [2]. Selfies can also indicate maladaptive patterns of personality such as histrionic personality disorder, however to date this was only confirmed in men [3] AnnOlesz (talk) 10:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sorokowska, Agnieszka; Oleszkiewicz, Anna; Frackowiak, Tomasz; Pisanski, Katarzyna; Chmiel, Anna; Sorokowski, Piotr (2016). "Selfies and personality: Who posts self-portrait photographs?". Personality and Individual Differences. 90: 119–23. doi:10.1016/j.paid.2015.10.037.
  2. ^ Sorokowska, Agnieszka; Oleszkiewicz, Anna; Frackowiak, Tomasz; Pisanski, Katarzyna; Chmiel, Anna; Sorokowski, Piotr (2016). "Selfies and personality: Who posts self-portrait photographs?". Personality and Individual Differences. 90: 119. doi:10.1016/j.paid.2015.10.037. {{cite journal}}: More than one of |pages= and |page= specified (help)
  3. ^ Sorokowski, Piotr; Sorokowska, Agnieszka; Frackowiak, Tomasz; Karwowski, Maciej; Rusicka, Irmina; Oleszkiewicz, Anna (2016). "Sex differences in online selfie posting behaviors predict histrionic personality scores among men but not women". Computers in Human Behavior. 59: 368. doi:10.1016/j.chb.2016.02.033. {{cite journal}}: More than one of |pages= and |page= specified (help)
Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 16:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Judging from the page history I believe the above comment is part of a BRD by the poster. The use of {{edit semi-protected}} was inappropriate since the article is not currently protected, but proposing text for addition to the article on this talk page is definitely appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 16:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the word "Selfie"

This article is wrong about the first time the word selfie appeared in the media. The article says... 2002. But, Pioneer named their portable stereo the "Private SELFIE" in 1988... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.233.218 (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Les Dennis

Les Dennis used the word 'selfie' in relation to taking a photograph of yourself in a 2001 episode of Family Fortunes (Carlton Television S21 Ep14). It was during the final round with the Chatter Family and was repeated on Challenge TV on the 16th August 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.172.195 (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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