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| quote = ... the article about the '2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak' was created on January 5, 2020. Four days later, a new article was spun off from it, dedicated solely to the 'Novel coronavirus' – officially known as 2019-nCoV. Yet another was created in February to detail the symptoms of the respiratory disease caused by the virus. |
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| quote2 = Those pages include the Wikipedia article for the virus itself, known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2, the disease it causes, COVID-19, and the ongoing global pandemic the coronavirus has caused. |
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| quote3 = Asked by Haaretz to gauge the merits of the English-language article on the virus, Prof. Nadav Davidovitch, who heads the department of public health at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, said he was 'pleasantly surprised by its quality.' |
| quote3 = Asked by Haaretz to gauge the merits of the English-language article on the virus, Prof. Nadav Davidovitch, who heads the department of public health at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, said he was 'pleasantly surprised by its quality.' |
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An A bomb against SARS-CoV-2 scientist Stéphane Schmutz Foundation for the Universal Knowledge 4.9.2021 Oparine Haldane Stanley Miller Preis explained: As the first pieces of life appear in the water of the emerging Earth; we think that water can protect life and eradicate COVID-19. |
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extension: MASTER ALARM OFF Jack Swigert Apollo 13 Explaination: In the prebiotic history water protect Life at its origins, so I think water can protect life nowadays against SARS-CoV-2. It is comfirmed by the hisory of the apparition of RNA in the prebiotic history. (SKYFALL COVID-19 Researches ("TOP SECRET") Stéphane Schmutz 30.12.2021) |
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Please add Template:Outdated to the "Infection and transmission" section. It reports only 2020 information. The idea of aerosol transmission is presented as not-yet-confirmed. There are 47 citations before the start of the "Reinfection" subsection: 1 dates from 2010, 41 date from 2020, and just 5 date from 2021. And of those 5, 2 are a case study of a specific person, 1 talks about animals that can get infected, and 2 talk about particles emitted during talking. Most or all items in this section should be relying on 2021 data, because the science is getting updated so fast through extensive research. [[Special:Contributions/174.206.39.24|174.206.39.24]] ([[User talk:174.206.39.24|talk]]) 11:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}. will do, but I will also say that these statements probably need better [[WP:MEDRS]], as "etiology" is explicitly covered under [[WP:BMI]]. To be plain, the statements may require a higher level of sourcing commiserate with scientific journal review articles published in topic-relevant venues. We may not be able to move as fast as the science does as a result. Of course this also means some of these sentences are definitely poorly sourced as it is, even the ones from the past. Appreciate you pointing this out, thank you.--[[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 15:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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--[[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 23:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== Typo "Demark" == |
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Time for a major rewrite of this section: {{talk quote|The first known infections from SARS‑CoV‑2 were discovered in Wuhan, China. The original source of viral transmission to humans remains unclear, as does whether the virus became pathogenic before or after the spillover event. Because many of the early infectees were workers at the Huanan Seafood Market, it has been suggested that the virus might have originated from the market. However, other research indicates that visitors may have introduced the virus to the market, which then facilitated rapid expansion of the infections. A March 2021 WHO-convened report stated that human spillover via an intermediate animal host was the most likely explanation, with direct spillover from bats next most likely. Introduction through the food supply chain and the Huanan Seafood Market was considered another possible, but less likely, explanation. An analysis in December 2021, however, said that the index case had been misidentified and that the preponderance of early cases linked to the Huanan Market, specifically a section where raccoon dogs were caged, argued for it being the source.}} |
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I'm sorry, if I'm using the talk page the wrong way, but since the article is protected and I couldn't make the edit myself, I would appreciate it, if an experienced member could just fix this little typo. |
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It's really self-explanatory, there's just a missing "n" in "Demark" that needs to be added. It's in the last sentence of the paragraph in chapter 4.1.1 (Phylogenetics -> Variants). |
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# There are two "however" that redirect the reader in confusing directions. |
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# The text messes information of the place of origin (i.e. wuhan market) with the pathway of transmission (direct spillover vs intermediate spillover vs food supply chain vs unmentioned lab leak) |
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# "The first known infections from SARS-CoV-2 were discovered in Wuhan, China" is too vague, given that [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/health/covid-wuhan-market-lab-leak.html we have this from the NYTimes], for example, "Toward the end of December 2019, doctors at several Wuhan hospitals noticed mysterious cases of pneumonia arising in people who worked at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, a dank and poorly ventilated space where seafood, poultry, meat and wild animals were sold." It gives more specific locations than ours (wuhan hospitals vs wuhan the city), and expands on key characteristics of the market (e.g. dank place where wild animals were sold). |
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# Our paraphrase of Worobey's results ("An analysis in December 2021, however, said that the index case had been misidentified and that the preponderance of early cases linked to the Huanan Market, specifically a section where raccoon dogs were caged, argued for it being the source.") is too strong, in my opinion. I propose we moderate it to something like this: {{talk quote|Michael Worobey, an expert on the origins of influenza and H.I.V., has traced the epidemiological origin of the early cases in Wuhan, suggesting that the index case (i.e. the first known case) was a vendor at the Huanan Seafood Market, which contrast with other public accounts that register as the index case an accountant who lived many miles from it.}} [[User:Forich|Forich]] ([[User talk:Forich|talk]]) 03:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with 1 and 2. A rewording for clarity is deserved, now that things are a bit more settled and there's less edit warring in general dividing our attention. For 3, I think I'd prefer to word it as "first confirmed infections", rather than replacing it with speculation about "mysterious cases of pneumonia" especially if paired with "dank and poorly ventilated" that I'd consider [[WP:WTW]] (particularly 'dank'). Along with 4, I'd suggest splitting the paragraph into things we know (first confirmed cases, Huanan Seafood Market being early epicenter) and the major areas of investigation (spillover event at seafood market, unidentified pneumonia, etc) to help clarify the certainty. [[User:Bakkster Man|Bakkster Man]] ([[User talk:Bakkster Man|talk]]) 14:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Would there also be any relevance in including this [https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/01/940395651/coronavirus-was-in-u-s-weeks-earlier-than-previously-known-study-says NPR report] somewhere in this section? It concerns findings of coronavirus antibodies in American blood samples from December 2019, and [https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785 here] is the DOI. Would it be extraneous to discuss the possible spread of the disease prior to the Wuhan outbreak? Wuhan is a well-documented outbreak and there are no other similar candidates at that time, but mentioning these findings in the rewrite may better reflect how there are several other unknown factors around the origins. [[User:Mewnst|Mewnst]] ([[User talk:Mewnst|talk]]) 10:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{fixed}}. thanks--[[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 22:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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The first paragraph in the Epidemiology section is a near-duplicate to the previous paragraph (in the previous section). I believe it should be removed. |
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== Merging various Wikipedia Articles related to SARS-CoV-2 == |
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== Typo in "Epidemiology" section == |
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Requesting merging of the various articles on Wikipedia related to the virus to be merged here - e.g., various variants ([[SARS-CoV-2 Alpha variant]], [[SARS-CoV-2 Beta variant]], [[SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant]], [[SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant]], [[SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant]]) to come under "[[Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2#Variants|variants]]" to better integrate all information at one place. [[User:Viv73|Viv73]] ([[User talk:Viv73|talk]]) 09:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC) |
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The "epidemiology" section start with "xVery few drugs" (erroneous "x") |
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==RfC at [[Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory]]== |
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[[User:Technicolour-dreamboat|Technicolour-dreamboat]] ([[User talk:Technicolour-dreamboat|talk]]) 12:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Editors are invited to participate in this RfC:<br/> [[Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory|RfC about how we should use the Frutos source]] [[User:Adoring nanny|Adoring nanny]] ([[User talk:Adoring nanny|talk]]) 16:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}. Thanks for the heads up.— [[User:Shibbolethink|<span style="color: black">Shibboleth</span><span style="color: maroon">ink</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Shibbolethink|♔]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Shibbolethink|♕]])</sup> 18:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== Global Viral Mass == |
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AFAIK there have been no estimations of the global viral mass of SARS‑CoV‑2, or the mass of a single virion for that matter. What are we dealing with here, a few kilos or what? [[User:Kencf0618|kencf0618]] ([[User talk:Kencf0618|talk]]) 03:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:There is [https://www.pnas.org/content/118/25/e2024815118 this estimation], but I'm unsure how relevant and meaningful the estimate is for the article. [[User:Bakkster Man|Bakkster Man]] ([[User talk:Bakkster Man|talk]]) 14:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 September 2021 == |
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Please add Template:Outdated to the "Infection and transmission" section. It reports only 2020 information. The idea of aerosol transmission is presented as not-yet-confirmed. There are 47 citations before the start of the "Reinfection" subsection: 1 dates from 2010, 41 date from 2020, and just 5 date from 2021. And of those 5, 2 are a case study of a specific person, 1 talks about animals that can get infected, and 2 talk about particles emitted during talking. Most or all items in this section should be relying on 2021 data, because the science is getting updated so fast through extensive research. 174.206.39.24 (talk) 11:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done. will do, but I will also say that these statements probably need better WP:MEDRS, as "etiology" is explicitly covered under WP:BMI. To be plain, the statements may require a higher level of sourcing commiserate with scientific journal review articles published in topic-relevant venues. We may not be able to move as fast as the science does as a result. Of course this also means some of these sentences are definitely poorly sourced as it is, even the ones from the past. Appreciate you pointing this out, thank you.--Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 15:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
here are some links to find high quality MEDRS about this topic (SARS-CoV-2 transmission): Find medical sources: Source guidelines · PubMed · Cochrane · DOAJ · Gale · OpenMD · ScienceDirect · Springer · Trip · Wiley · TWL --Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 23:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Typo "Demark"
I'm sorry, if I'm using the talk page the wrong way, but since the article is protected and I couldn't make the edit myself, I would appreciate it, if an experienced member could just fix this little typo.
It's really self-explanatory, there's just a missing "n" in "Demark" that needs to be added. It's in the last sentence of the paragraph in chapter 4.1.1 (Phylogenetics -> Variants).
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- Fixed. thanks--Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 22:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS‑CoV‑2) is the virus that causes COVID-19, the respiratory illness responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic. Like other coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 has four structural proteins, known by the letters S (spike), E (envelope), M (membrane), and N (nucleocapsid); the N protein holds the RNA genome, and the S, E, and M proteins together create the viral envelope. This colourised transmission electron micrograph shows SARS-CoV-2 virus particles emerging from the surface of cells cultured in a laboratory. The crown-like spikes on the outer edge of the virus particles give coronaviruses their name, derived from Latin corona, 'crown'. Photograph credit: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Rocky Mountain Laboratories
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The first paragraph in the Epidemiology section is a near-duplicate to the previous paragraph (in the previous section). I believe it should be removed.
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The "epidemiology" section start with "xVery few drugs" (erroneous "x") Technicolour-dreamboat (talk) 12:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for the heads up.— Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 18:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Global Viral Mass
AFAIK there have been no estimations of the global viral mass of SARS‑CoV‑2, or the mass of a single virion for that matter. What are we dealing with here, a few kilos or what? kencf0618 (talk) 03:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
- There is this estimation, but I'm unsure how relevant and meaningful the estimate is for the article. Bakkster Man (talk) 14:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
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In the lead, replace Virus with Emergent virus. 79.70.190.198 (talk) 08:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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