Talk:Taunton

revisions of otheruses

I have noticed the template for "otheruses" keep being reverted on this article, and I wondered whether we could try to achieve consensus here. The debate seems to be between a single link to the disambiguation page Taunton (disambiguation) or alternatively a link to the disam page + a link to the specific article for Taunton, Massachusetts, with an edit summary which says "(re-add dab link to Taunton, Massachusetts; rmd w/o discussion, and including links to notable American cities of the same name as British ones is common, see Worcester and Plymouth)". Personally I can't see why the link to the US town should take precedence over other places and things named Taunton which are included in the disam page - but I wanted to get others opinions here before reverting the latest change. Any thoughts? — Rod ^talk 09:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

If there was only one other town called Taunton then I would support the dual otheruses template, but as there are a number I really think we should have the single otheruses link to the disambiguation page. --TimTay (talk) 09:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

My logic behind adding the dab link was basically that the city of Taunton, MA is roughly the same size as this one, one of the largest cities in Massachusetts, one of the first cities in the colonial United States, and one of the centers of the silver industry in New England for several years. While the city is certainly not as prominent as this one, I felt it deserved mention in a dab link, as a large number of editors would likely expect "Taunton" to be about that article. You can see that a quick Google search brings up several hits for Taunton, MA on the first page. There are only two other cities referred to as "Taunton" on the dab page, a municipality of 207 people in Minnesota and a hamlet in New York State. The MA city is clearly more notable than these two locales (the other things on the dab page would almost never be searched for by typing in only "Taunton" - Taunton Stop Line, Taunton National Park, Taunton River, etc.). That is why I put in the dab link (I originally placed it here in July 2007, but it was removed here in October 2007, hence the "rmd w/o discussion" comment). I feel as if this situation is similar to that of Plymouth and Worcester, where the articles are about the more prominent UK cities, but dab links are added to the notable Massachusetts cities of the same name to make it easier for editors searching for those pages. Cheers, Rai-me 23:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point. Seems a reasonable argument to me. --TimTay (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Population of Taunton

I've noticed the population of Taunton (The town) keeps getting changed; Between 55K, 88K and 102K. The true figure being much closer to 55K, yet someone keeps changing it to the claim that Taunton has 88K with a Urban Area of 102K (This being only 7K less than the whole of Taunton Deane district council). With this change of population, come the claim, quite wrongly that Taunton is the largest town in Somerset. Both Bath and Weston being larger by some 15K to 20K. Technically Weston is the largest town in Somerset with 71K, and Bath is the largest city with 80K. A quick search of online sources will confirm a range of populations from 55K to 60K. Though I believe from misinformation on this website has started a trend of a few website quoting figures like 100K.

I offer the official figures published by somerset.gov.uk [1] which claims the figure to be 61,400 as of 2001. I've seen no evidence anywhere, including the somerset.gov.uk website to justify a claim that between 2001 and 2008, the population increased at an average of 6.5% per year (Or anything approaching this rate). Official figures, again from somerset.gov.uk, claim the the whole of Taunton Deane raised from 102K to 109K over the period 2001 to 2007, meaning for 88K to be correct for Taunton as at 2008, then the rest of Taunton Deane's population would have collapsed by 20K over the same period. 217.171.129.73 (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging Holway, Somerset into this article. As the article says it is now a suburb and is unlikely to get a significant article in its own right. Any thoughts?— Rod ^talk 18:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this proposal - Holway is very much "within" Taunton and wouldn't be out of place within the Taunton article.Squirrel684 (talk) 02:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I'd also propose that Staplegrove is merged into this.— Rod ^talk 17:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Agree with both proposals as both areas are contained within the urban area of Taunton (i.e. are not separated by any distance). --TimTay (talk) 18:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Mergers now completed.— Rod ^talk 10:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd now like to propose merging in Comeytrowe and Galmington.— Rod ^talk 10:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Just came across Galmington article, which has virtually no content except for unreferenced info on a youth football club. It is not a civil parish as it originally stated in the article, or even a borough ward, so it is unlikely that any statistics or boundaries can be defined. Merge it! Lozleader (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Just googled around for Comeytrowe and I think it may merit an article of its own: it is a civil parish (formed out of Trull in 1986), and a borough ward so there would at least be some stats available. Had a look at the parish boundaries at www.election-maps.co.uk and it turns out that Galmington (or some of it) is in Comeytrowe parish.. so maybe it should be merged with that instead??Lozleader (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I've merged Galmington into Comeytrowe & expanded it. Merger proposal banners removed.— Rod ^talk 11:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Notable people

Notable people from Taunton should be people who were born, lived or died in the town. In the case of two people previously listed in this section of the article this is not the case. Evelyn Waugh lived and died in Combe Florey and is mentioned in that article. Joe Strummer lived and died in Broomfield and is mentioned in that article. Neither of these settlements is part of Taunton. Both are nearby but the fact they are separate means it cannot be claimed that those people have any link with the town of Taunton. If anyone believes otherwise then please discuss here rather than add back to the article. --Simple Bob (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

What else is needed to get this article to GA?

I've been editing this article to try to bring it closer to the guidelines at WP:UKCITIES and would be interested in what other editors think is need to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Good article criteria? Obviously we need to expand the lead to summarise the article & reference (or remove) the uncited claims, but is there anything else which would be required?— Rod ^talk 09:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

pop culture

from my talk page:

I noticed your reversion of my edit to the Popular culture references of the Taunton article. I believe we will need to support the claims if the article is to be nominated for WP:GA. I haven't read Scoop or watched the Doctor Who episode The Shakespeare Code but would want some evidence that Taunton was mentioned. I have read So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish & don't remember Taunton being "featured" in it (which is the claim). How do we know Thomas Hardy renamed Taunton as Toneborough? or is this the interpretation of a reviewer? if so who & when? I know these seem picky but I would like to get the Taunton article up to GA before too long & these are the sorts of things reviewers pick up on.— Rod talk 17:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

i havent read Scoop either so cant comment and dont recall hearing taunton in the Dr Who episode mentioned. Taunton is certainly featured in Tinker, Tailor so should be reinserted. As for Hardy, this website sould provide more than enough info. http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~bp10/wessex/index.shtml Dead-or-Red (talk) 18:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I've put back the comment about Thomas Hardy with a reference to the site you suggested, but I think we would need references &/or page numbers for the other claims before they could go back in.— Rod ^talk 19:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Taunton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: DharmaDreamer (talk) 12:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Reasonably well written and follows MoS, however Demography looks messy.

• I'm not sure how to improve the appearance if the tables are to stay?— Rod ^talk 14:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   As far as I can see no issue with Original Research and all source provided are reliable. However this is possibly inadequatly refferenced, I have tagged the places where citations are needed so the involved parties can adress the issue.

• References provided.— Rod ^talk 14:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   No problem here, provides comprehnesive coverage on all relevent aspects of taunton,For the msot part doesn't veer off topic apart from when it randomly states in the economy section "Avimo became part of Thales Optics, however their manufacturing has been transferred along with a number of staff to Glasgow and Wells." What is avimo? does it have relevance to taunton? I have never been to the town so have no idea what this is on about.

• AVIMO explained & expanded with ref.— Rod ^talk 14:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   No problems with NPOV as far as I can see.

2. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Most recent edits seem minor, No major change in recent times. However there seems to have been a dispute about whether or not taunton is the biggest town in somerset, the issue seems to have settled.

3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Well illustrated, Images appropriatly tagged and with appropriate captions on article page.

4. Pass/Fail:

   Some minor issues to adress, very close to GA standard, mainly filling in missing citation, and sorting out demography and economyDharmaDreamer (talk) 13:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)