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Ancient Jewish art

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Created by Homerethegreat (talk). Self-nominated at 19:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ancient Jewish art; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: QPQ not needed. The article contains significant uncited material, and the hook fact is not itself cited in the article. These issues need to be resolved Homerethegreat. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

@Homerethegreat: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I've added the sentence in a clear manner as requested. Apologies for the late response. Homerethegreat (talk) 21:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Regarding sourcing, is this alright: https://smarthistory.org/synagogue-dura-europos/ ? Thank you for your time. Homerethegreat (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Is this ready to be approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 18:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
there are still entire paragraphs with no citations, failing WP:DYKCITE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @AirshipJungleman29:, @Z1720: I did not notice, I must have associated the outline with the lead for some reason. I've fixed it. Anything else? Homerethegreat (talk) 07:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? Is there anything else that needs to happen for this to be approved? Z1720 (talk) 15:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't see where the article states, or which citation supports, the assertion that Dura-Europa "epitomizes" ancient Jewish art. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, and it plainly isn't true! When the murals were uncovered about a century ago everyone was astonished. There might be a hook in that. For refs see the article on the site, which I've linked in the hook. Johnbod (talk) 02:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
@Homerethegreat: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 19:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
To clarify, any number of hooks saying that they are the most impressive/extensive etc ancient Jewish murals would be correct, & should be easy to reference. What they are emphatically not is in any way typical of other survivals. They are unique & stand alone, so "epitome" is not the right word. Johnbod (talk) 04:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for late response but I will be able to address the issue only later. In the meanwhile if you prefer another word to “epitome” than please feel free to change to whatever best suits Wiki rules, I agree it’s not the right word in retrospect so it can be changed to “characterized”. Thank you for the understanding. Homerethegreat (talk) 07:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

If the issues cannot be addressed in a timely manner, the DYK should be closed as unsuccessful. The review was started a month and a half ago and the problems have still not been fixed. Fritzmann (message me) 15:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  • ' The article is currently in a good state and the verification issues were addressed. However, the hook as written does not match the text of the article. Even with the suggested language modification, it doesn't really work. We need a new hook. Given the age of the nom, I'm putting a time clock of one week to get a new hook proposed and passed. @ Homerethegreat Please provide a new hook. The hook must match exactly or close to exactly the prose text found within the article with an inline citation to a reliable source. The failure of the last hook was largely due to the fact that article's prose did not match the hook fact closely. Keep that in mind when proposing a new hook. Get this done ASAP or we will be rejecting this nomination.4meter4 (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
  • I propose the following:
alt1 ... did you know that in ancient Jewish art, symbolic motifs such as the menorah were incorporated, the latter becoming a symbol of the Jewish people? “ citation: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/jewa/hd_jewa.htm
I hope this is alright, feel free to change it. Thank you for the opportunity to try again. Homerethegreat (talk) 18:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
@Homerethegreat This is a good attempt but I notice that the article itself has a more nuanced take on the use of the menorah. I would suggest the following based on the article's language:
alt2 ... that in ancient Jewish art the menorah was originally used sparingly, but after the destruction of Solomon's Temple it evolved into a frequently used symbol of the Jewish people?
I will need another reviewer to examine this hook since I proposed it. @Homerethegreat It would be helpful to that reviewer to provide the sources for that information to verify the hook below. 4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
4meter4 Sure no problem, but perhaps it’s best to say Second Temple since the first temple was also destroyed and we don’t want to confuse anyone. Homerethegreat (talk) 04:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


Reviewer for alt2 hook needed.4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Let's see an end-of-sentence citation for the sentence containing the word 'sparingly'.--Launchballer 20:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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