Template talk:Infobox US university ranking

Times Higher Education/WSJ Ranking Template Not Working

Hey, I'm having some trouble with the parameter "THE_WSJ" on a US university ranking Infobox. Is anyone else having this issue? Thanks and please let me know!Pdyusmep (talk) 16:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't appear to be a parameter for this template; it's just incorrectly listed in the documentation as one. ElKevbo (talk) 16:32, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

It's not a known parameter, but was added by an IP a year ago to the documentation page. If it is notable enough (provide proof), then we can add it. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 17:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

It is difficult to "prove" that any ranking is "notable". For example, ARWU isn't cited widely (in the media, etc) as a "notable" national ranking in any sense - it's widely acclaimed as a top international ranking. That being said, ARWU is a parameter in the template for national universities in the United States. Assessing the notability of a ranking is going to be, for the most part, an ambiguous and subjective assessment to make. However, if I were to make a case for the THE US college ranking, it would be that the ranking is published by what is recognized as one of the world's most important education publications. Do note that the THE US college rankings have a devoted section on the Ranking of universities in the United States article already. THE World University Ranking is a gold standard among rankings as noted on the ARWU and QS pages. Here is a secondary source that states THE is one of the world's most prominent ranking sources: https://web.archive.org/web/20101003203348/http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/schools%2Balways%2Bmarks/3560240/story.html. Again, here: https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2010/11/11/state-rankings. If this doesn't suffice I suggest you give me a more specific criteria/check-list for establishing what a "notable" ranking is. Pdyusmep (talk) 13:07, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Pdyusmep: That is all I asked for, thank you. Basically, I wanted to make sure there is enough to prove its notability so that we're not fighting with others down the road. Which section do you want it in: "U.S." or "Global"? Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 13:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: Great, thank you for your help with this. It should be in U.S. - I have no preference for what the parameter should be called, but something along the lines of "THE_US" or "THES_WSJ". Sincerely Pdyusmep (talk) 14:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

It's been added. Use |THE_WSJ =. Thanks, Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 14:20, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: No rush, but it seems the parameter isn't being recognized as of yet. I checked the testcase page and it doesn't seem to be appearing there either. There's no emergency to fix it now, but just wanted to keep you updated. Pdyusmep (talk) 14:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Pdyusmep: Sorry, I was on my tablet and didn't really look into it. It should (I hope!) be fixed now. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 15:41, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: Working perfectly now. Thanks a lot. Pdyusmep (talk) 15:51, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

SCIMAGO ranking

Can you please add two more parameters: College_and_university_rankings#SCImago_Institutions_Rankings and Webometrics_Ranking_of_World_Universities? Both rankings are easily retrievable form the websites below maintained by the Spanish National Research Council:

http://www.scimagoir.com/

http://www.webometrics.info/en

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.98.78.51 (talk) 15:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

ARWU does not create national rankings - ARWU national needs removal - ARWU is properly presented in the global rankings

The ARWU is a global ranking. They have never created US rankings. This national ranking needs to be removed. Similarly, there are no QS national rankings. ARWU is properly presented in the global rankings section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikecurry1 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I request the template editors delete this line. "| ARWU_NU = "

The ARWU has never created a US national rankings. Just as the QS does not create US national rankings. Why are one of these two global rankings being chosen to be placed in the national rankings section and not the other? Neither were designed as a national ranking and they should both not be in the national rankings, not simply choosing one of the two to put there. The proper place for both of these global rankings is in the global rankings section alone. ARWU_National should be removed. Mikecurry1 (talk) 15:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Some related discussion at Template talk:Infobox US university ranking/Archive 1#ARWU_NU to ARWU_N. I think this should be discussed further as it has been in the template for many years and it is likely to be in use on articles. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:07, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Good point. Mikecurry1 (talk) 21:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Request disabled for now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:50, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

References outdated

The references given in the infobox US university ranking - concerning the global universities rankings - are pretty outdated:

• ARWU Shanghai Ranking: shown is 2017, but current one is for a long time that of 2018: http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2018.html
• QS World University Rankings: shown is 2018, but current one is 2019: https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019
• THE World University Rankings: shown is 2016, but current one is that of 2019: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2019/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats
• USNWR Best Global Universities Rankings: shown is 2017, but the current one is that of 2018: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings

Could this be corrected? Regards, Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 09:20, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the sources were several years out of date. I have updated them all. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mr. D. E. Mophon and Randomeditor1000: based on the above, shouldn't the references be removed from the template and provided by the article calling the template. Just updating the references in the templates implies that all the template values match the new reference... See how Template:Infobox world university ranking has parmas for the references. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing})

Zackmann, the world ranking template was created after the Infobox US University ranking. My recollection was that a deliberate choice was made to include the same general reference for the US ranking infobox due to the shear number of edits needed to update the information. The actual ranking numbers do still have to be manually entered in the infobox for each article. It would be nice if we had a script for this that could parse the information automatically. I am going to list this discussion in WT:UNI and see if we can't generate some more discussion on what to do. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 15:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

It seems like this information should be either (a) added and updated by a bot on an annual basis or (b) added to WikiData (where it would also be added and updated on an annual basis). Either option would require gathering and (at least temporarily) storing a large chunk of this proprietary ranking data in our own database; I don't know about any potential legal issues this may raise. ElKevbo (talk) 16:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Randomeditor1000 and ElKevbo: let me know how I can be helpful. Again not saying that the references shouldn't be there, I just feel they belong on the data side. When you consider the access date... If the template is used on 100 pages and I update 2 of them with newer data, that means that the access dates are in accurate for the other 98... IMHO, provide the refs from the page calling the template and provide a date as well. I.E. These rankings are current as of <Some date>. Food for thought. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Adding University Ranking Categories

Is it possible to add all university ranking categories as identified on the University Rankings page for North America? Given that the other rankings identified in that article seem to have established notability, it seems appropriate to expand this template to include those rankings as optional parameters.