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article on your user page

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Talkback

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previous accounts

Hello Did you edited previously under any other accounts?--Shrike (talk) 21:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I had an old account but never edited. When I finally decided to make some edits I couldn't log in so created a new account. One time I logged into the old account mistakenly and made a minor inconsequential edit to a talk page I was working on. The old account was De999.

Is there any problem? Dlv999 (talk) 22:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

There is a Wikipedia policy on sockpuppetry, that is illegaly usin multiple accounts. PaoloNapolitano 16:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I would like to delete the account, but apparently it is not possible. Dlv999 (talk) 17:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC) 17:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Yup it's Israel-Palestine conflict again

Hi. I've expanded the present status paragraph and would like your thoughts to ensure neutrality. Please contribute relevant counter-information as you helpfully did earlier on in the paragraph. Much obliged.
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 19:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Gaza War

Hi. I have responded on the relevant Talk page
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 12:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Staged settler violence

Amended. Please comment on the changes.
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I no longer contest the picture's inclusion although I maintain that Wiki policies should prevent its inclusion. In all probability, the graffiti was perpetrated by extreme settlers and I don't feel comfortable contesting this. (What I do object to is denying a charities good work...)
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your change of position on this issue. On the issue of CFI, I am more than ready to admit that the original article may well have not covered all of the significant opinions that have been published in RS. If I encounter an article that I feel is unbalanced, or does not represent all of the significant opinions that have been published by RS, I do the hard work, find RS that discuss alternate opinions that can then be included in the article. What I take issue with is people not doing the work and including material without supporting RS. You will find that I don't remove material appropriately sourced to RS, if you want the material to stick, there is a simple solution. As the article currently stands, there are no third party RS that attest to the non-settler charity work of the organisation. I have closely read all of the sources for the article. The support for the charity work boils down to:-

1. A quote from the president in the NYT article (the article itself describes the organisation as a "clearing house" for West bank organisations to receive tax breaks).
2. A letter from the director in response to the NYT article
3. An Op-Ed by a former vice president
4. A quote by a donor who had been challenged about his donations to the organisation in the Forward article (which reports the organisations settler related activities).

None of these can be used to describe facts about the work of the charity in the wiki voice without attribution. The comments can certainly be included as a significant opinion as long as they are accurately attributed and not given undue weight. WP:RS says that articles must be based on third party RS. These sources and quotes are not third party and are only suitable for the views of the interested parties. My suggestion to you is to look for third party RS (I will certainly not remove statements supported by such sources). If you can't find them, then perhaps you should consider whether they have been published at all. Dlv999 (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I understand, it is just frustrating that the article of a charity that I know has done a lot of good work (FFS even Hamas does charitable work) is predominated with the views of its detractors. That being said, WP:RS is there for a reason especially in I-P issues. I have even perused its 990 forms for more positive information. Unfortunately (or fortunately) a lot of information is redacted.
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 21:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Gaza War

I never put that in. I may have moved the bit about him, but I had never even heard of that guy before reading that quote in the article.--RM (Be my friend) 21:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Your Mandate sources

Hi Dlv, I thought i'd make sure your work getting all those sources doesn't get lost, so i've turned them into cite quotes and am about to them all to the British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument). Oncenawhile (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the backup:)

Many thanks for dropping all those useful sources off on the Menachem Begin talk page. Did the trick perfectly - the brick wall I had been talking to suddenly opened and became co-operative - they'll provide a useful resource should anyone want to take up that poisoned chalice in the future. I'd give you a barnstar or something similarly clique-ish if I wasn't so anti all that back scratching stuff. Good job and thanks again.1812ahill (talk) 01:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Discussion at Talk:Controversial tactics in the Gaza War

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Controversial tactics in the Gaza War. Shrike (talk) 13:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)Template:Z48

Counting reverts

To clarify, "A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert". See WP:3RR. It doesn't make much sense but that is how reverts are counted. Sean.hoyland - talk 13:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Controversial Tactics

I apologise for not providing an explanation. I have responded on the Talk page in question.
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 23:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Ha'aretz Report

Hi,

Thanks for bringing that report about the Shin Bet chief to my attention. I've contacted Barak Ravid, who wrote the report, and asked what exactly Diskin was referring to, and whether Ravid's statistics disagree with Amos Harel's statistics (1:30 ratio) or they're discussing two different topics. I await a response, and will let you know as soon as I can. I will attach a photo if necessary (as proof).

Thanks!

--Activism1234 (talk) 00:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I would be interested to hear what Mr Ravid has to say on the matter, but I don't think his personal comments to you would be suitable for inclusion in an article as they would not have been published by RS. Let me know the outcome, we can raise the issue on the reliable sources notice board if necessary. Dlv999 (talk) 09:38, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Overuse of cn tag

Edits like this results in difficulty in reading an article. It is better to use a "Unreferenced" template at the top of the article instead of overusing the inline cn tag. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 10:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the information. I take your point and will bare it in mind for future edits. But for me the main issue with the article is that editors are deleting referenced content from the article and replacing it with totally unsourced material. Dlv999 (talk) 11:24, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I can see the original version which you created. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 11:51, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

It was not perfect by any means and needed plenty of work. But I had hoped to move it forward by finding further RS to cover all significant opinions published in RS - not by deleting sourced material and replacing it with unsourced work. Dlv999 (talk) 12:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Please rectify this and use the unreferenced template instead. It is very unsightly.
Best Wishes AnkhMorpork (talk) 12:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

<- Dlv999, you are perfectly entitled to delete unsourced information in the topic area on sight. You don't need to tag it, you don't need to discuss it or try to be nice. You can just remove it. Adding unsourced material in the topic area covered by discretionary sanctions is not okay. Editors soon learn that content they add will be removed if it doesn't cite reliable sources. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

There is not much I can do if multiple editors are intent on re-adding unreferenced material and repeatedly deleting referenced material without explanation. At least tagging it alerts readers to the unverifiable nature of the article. Dlv999 (talk) 12:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I've requested action at AE

AE:Talk] --Shuki (talk) 14:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

2012 Midi-Pyrénées shootings

Could you please explain how did you came to this article?Becouse I see that you never edit it before.Following other users edits to propose opposing POV in areas that you don't edit together could be considered WP:HOUND.--Shrike (talk) 11:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't mean to stick my nose where it don't belong, but 2012 Midi-Pyrénées shootings is a "hot" article. It had been linked from the news portal for very many days.VR _talk 18:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Vice. I wouldn't take too much notice, it is is not the first time that, apropos of nothing, this editor has left insinuating remarks questioning the intentions of my involvement in the Wikipedia project. Dlv999 (talk) 19:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

It seems that it is you who failing to WP:AFG.It was only a friendly notice to a new editor that probably was not aware of all the rules.If I really thought you hound someone I would go to the relevant board instead living a message on the talk page .--Shrike (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Holy Land Map

My own original translation from the Latin was fairly poor, and was corrected some time ago by people brighter than me. Obviously, the relevant dates are the specific Biblical dates to which each place on the map is relevant. I am also hardly an expert on this; I obviously never even noticed that the overwhelming number of place names on the map were purely Biblical in origin.

I seem to recall -- again, under the false illusion that this was an 18th century map merely with a Biblical overlay -- that I originally restored it to the "Middle Ages" section of Palestine, rather than where it resides now.

As far as your general point about ancient maps, the Lotter family were very reputable mapmakers in their time. It's very hard to determine whether Tobias had access to sources ~250 years ago that are simply no longer extant, and, in turn, whether those sources themselves were reliable. Archaeology is hardly an exact science either. Maybe you dig up 3 square feet of land, but there is a dreidel buried five feet away?

Perhaps it's just in my nature as a Catholic, but I just end up giving old sources a lot of leeway as to being right. -- Kendrick7^talk 23:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Greetings

It is reassuring to see familiar old faces on here AnkhMorpork (talk) 20:00, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey Ankh, welcome back to IP. Have you seen this [1] yet? I came across it the other day and thought it might be interesting to pick one article to "write for the enemy" (you will do Palestine POV and I will do Israel). Nothing major like Gaza War or anything, just a minor neglected article we could do a little work on and improve. Dlv999 (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC

I think that should be fun. You can select an article for me if you want; gosh I hope I don't develop some kind of dissociative identity disorder and become a confused figure.AnkhMorpork (talk) 21:20, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I don't have anything in mind right now, but I will keep a lookout for a suitable article. Dlv999 (talk) 10:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

IDF use of Human Shields

There is a lot of overlap and reiteration of the same material cited in "Accusations of misconduct by IDF soldiers" as well as inclusion of immaterial content that does not discuss use of human shields. I aim to trim this and would appreciate of you could give the paragraph a look over and remove what you agree should not be included.

e.g irrelevancies - "Richard Falk, the UN's Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian territories, alleged that Israel had confined Palestinian civilians to the combat zone in Gaza and prevented them from leaving during bombardment. Such a practice was a "new crime against humanity", Falk said and called for Israel to be held accountable." "...and the targeting of medics and hospitals. The paper also found evidence of attacks on clearly distinguishable civilian targets"
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 19:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

If you wish to solely remove Israeli duplication and ignore your own repetition, I must protest this breach of 1rr, 12 and request you revert.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 18:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks for the warning. I have self reverted. I have also removed (self rv) the Falk comments and the Breaking the silence material per your concerns. Dlv999 (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks indeed. I agree that Richard Kemp's sentiments should not be repeated. Bizarrely, they have been mentioned in "Use of densely populated areas by Hamas combatants" from where I intend to remove them. In my view, they probably are best located in the "Accusations of misconduct by IDF soldiers" paragraph.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 19:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I also observed that the "Disproportionate force" paragraph also repeats content and could do with modification. A suggestion, you remove extraneous anti-Israel in a way that you see fit, and I shall remove all pro-Israeli repetition that you point out, and that way, we will be in agreement with each others edits and can present the information once in a manner of our choosing.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 19:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

In your Revision as of 18:27, 4 April 2012 you introduced a named reference without defining it: <ref name="unchildren"/>. Please provide the intended reference, or remove the ref entirely. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, I have fixed the reference. Dlv999 (talk) 10:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Whoops

Didn't realise you had amended article. Restored content in lie with 1rr.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 17:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

No need to apologize. Dlv999 (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Your 'tabloid newspaper' was actually a verbatim assessment of the Shaw report
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 23:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't care. There is no other article in the encyclopedia that uses such inflammatory language. Look for example at the Rape of Nanking, I don't see that kind of language. The worst crimes in history are not described with this language, why are we using it just because the Palestinians are involved? And FYI the Shaw report is not a third Party RS on this matter. The British were the colonial regime and were committed to imposing Zionism on the indigenous population. The British are inherently an involved party in this matter and their official report of the event dating from the 1920's is not a third party RS. We don't use the Goldstone report for unattributed statements of fact on the Gaza War page - we attribute to the Goldstone report. In fact Goldstone has a much better claim to being third party as he was not a party to the conflict, nor was the UN. Shaw on the other hand was a member of the British establishment that had a commitment to Zionism and had been responsible for the overwhelming majority of the Arab deaths in the incident in question.Dlv999 (talk) 07:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

You make a valid point which your edit summary did not do justice to.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 09:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Just for an insight into the Colonial mindset of the time, in the early 1930's Britain had blocked a proposal at Geneva to ban the use of planes for bombing purposes on civilian populations. Former Prime minister David Lloyd George is quoted as commenting "we must reserve the right to bomb niggers". So yes, according to their way of thinking, an Arab riot against colonial oppression and displacement by Zionists is "vicious" and "wanton" on the other hand bombing "niggers" (that is to say the very same Arab population) is perfectly acceptable. The moral universe that the British establishment of the time operated in is certainly an interesting topic, but it should never be introduced into a 2012 encyclopedia article as statements of fact without comment. Dlv999 (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

shaw report

if you email me i can email it to you. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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JSTOR

Hi Dlv999. Just dropping you a note because I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for JSTOR access. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 10:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, that would be be a big help. Dlv999 (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Palestine

Thank you for your support. My legitimate changes were being culled while equivalent ones on the opposing side were not. That is unfair. I have also sorted the complaints of Nice Guy. One of the complaints in particular I felt was completely unreasonable; I have nevertheless dealt with it.
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Talk:1929 Palestine riots

Hi there. Ankh asked me to look at your interaction as he was unhappy with it. I examined it and while I agree that you haven't made any personal attacks, I would implore you to continue to strive to discuss edits rather than editors. I recognise this is difficult sometimes and that this topic can inherently be a sensitive one. Please don't hesitate to use me as a sounding board if you need help, support or advice in this area going forward, and please don't take this as a formal warning, it is just meant as friendly advice. --John (talk) 08:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the input, I will bear your advice in mind. Dlv999 (talk) 11:00, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration. --John (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

You have broken 1RR

Though article wasn't marked under ARBPIA is clearly belonged to the conflict per WP:ARBPIA "All articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict falls under 1RR. When in doubt, assume it is related."As you never received any official warning on the sanctions I am going to warn though 1RR didn't require a warning to be sanctioned I will assume WP:AGF and will not report you.--Shrike (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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