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I am requesting a name change to Joy. --Shallot 12:16, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

For my SUL troubles, see User:Joy/SUL. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

This page is now archived. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Central Croatia

Hi! Could you please take a look at the Talk:Central Croatia. I tried reasoning, I tried arguing, I offered sources, and I see no point in saying or doing anything further. Thanks.--Tomobe03 (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. Apparently the discussion on the talk page brought nothing as much of the page was blanked (diff) against sources and with no consensus to otherwise. I don't know if that constitutes vandalism or not, but should this be reported somewhere?--Tomobe03 (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to bother you again, but this is getting out of hand - it appears that Direktor is bent on convincing everyone that Croatia has no geographic region rather historic ones. This has now spread to Slavonia as well (here) I don't know what he's got against geography but I'm really getting frustrated with this stubborn denial of existence of such benign things as geographic regions fully supported by scholarly sources just because of stubborn sayso of another user. Would you recommend a RfC or something else because I really don't need to spend a couple of days convincing someone that Slavonia exists on a current geographic map, that Kingdom of Slavonia does not, and that its year 2012 out there.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'm just about ready to give up this... now, there's claim that Slavonia is not a geographic region at all... I see no point to bother about all this when unreasonable people are ready to ignore sources and push POV accusing me of owning articles for contradicting. I got 1 active FA and an active GA review and 3 pending GAs - should I post at the WP:CRO talk for volunteers to take over those (if anyone cares) or just someplace else as this is taking way too much time? There's no point in writing based on sources when there's no way to convince people to read sources. What do you suggest?--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't know. It's nauseating to have to virtually beg people to read sources and then having to quote to them only for them to completely ignore or dismiss sources for no valid reason. And now you suggest I do that all over again. Virtually identical discussion happened at the Central Croatia, only to spread to Slavonia. I really have the strongest urge just to let go and forget the whole thing. I'm arguing over nothing for two days when I should be doing something IRL and responding to a FAR and a GAR, but right now I see no point even in getting the two to FA/GA when a POV-pusher will only feel invited to adapt them to their beliefs of what the article should be.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:13, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I posted at the DRN, now what?

User:71.178.108.23

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Peacemaker67 (talk) 01:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Joy, A heads up that this and similar edits are being discussed at ANI, your name hasn't been mentioned but several Users names are there in the edit histories. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Department of International Military Co-operation

Your conclusion seems to be the same as mine... GregorB (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Eborg

Hello,

No, this is not my account nor do I have anything to do with it.

As far as I know, Mario Ostojić was deleted as it did not pass Wikipedia's notability. I think the article should be kept under the condition that evidence can be provided to support the claim that he played in a fully professional league.

All the best,

Tempo21 (talk) 19:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi again

Rather than a topic ban would you consider a limited/targeted specific-edit-ban that just stops Fyunck edit-warring his lede back on those specific 100x BLPs? That is what I have proposed to Koertefa, Courcelles and Handsomefella. ? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

This note to you has been linked by User LittleBenW on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive765 as canvassing. Given that they had already expressed a view and that I'm trying to take it down a peg from what you mentioned (not that I don't agree, with the sentiment) I feel it's appropriate. However, I think Handsomefella's appeal to ANI is going nowhere - vandalizing a 100x not very notable/visible East European biographies with this xenophobic nonsense is, I can completely understand, very well down the list of stupidity ANI has to deal with on a daily basis. Uz najbolje želje toplim In ictu oculi (talk) 12:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

vandalism

Discrimination and hate speech against minorities at wikipedia User:CrnoBelo [1], [2], [3], [4].... please reaction--Sokac121 (talk) 19:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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Molise Croats

Saw that you were active once on the Molise Croats article, so feel free to drop a line on this section[5]. There are some problems with the sources, but I can't find out which claim is the more questionable one. Either the Molise Croats article is wrong or the claim on Serbs of Italy is unsubstantiated. Btw could you please translate По господину Рубертнеу, вели госп. Асколи ондје, први Срби — или како их онамо обично зову Schiavoni или Dalmati — дошли су у Молизе заедно с Арбанасима (Албанези) што их је онамо довео Скендербег. to me? Antidiskriminator claims that this quote, which he added proves that the ultimate source is Ascoli. Is that the case?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 22:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

re: Barnstar

Hi! Thanks for the barnstar, just saw the notification, so sorry about the delay.--Tomobe03 (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Message

Hi, I've just seen this message on my talk page:

• Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ali Muratovic. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't understand. Can you throw some light on it for me. Thanks, Denisarona (talk) 12:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I was about to add a comment but I've noticed that the IP address from last September has 'disappeared'? Denisarona (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Roman Catholic dioceses in the Balkans

Are you proposing to delete 'Roman Catholic dioceses in Nordic Europe?' as both a category and a list? Every category has a list. This list permits you to find the Catholic dioceses in the entire region, which is especially useful given the recent border changes. Benkenobi18 (talk) 03:00, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Both lists perform their function adequately by grouping together dioceses as the Catholic church organizes them. There is no other category grouping all the Nordic Europe dioceses together. Benkenobi18 (talk) 07:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Every category in this section has a list so that people can navigate both through the category and the list as they prefer. If you want to rename them - feel free. Those names have been there for many years now. Benkenobi18 (talk) 07:21, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

North Korea

Joy what is the problem?! I didn't had any attention to "attack" Josipović. What is the problem in sending condolence? I think it was a good diplomatic move. I was writing about diplomatic relations of two countries. You consider the diplomatic relations with North Korea an insult? I don't, I really, really don't. And I don't understand your move at all. Why did you erased the article? I also want to add that this... is very suprising. You don't like North Korea, that's fine. I don't have any problems with that. And please explain, how is possible that Josipović's diplomatic move is an "attack"... I'm really confused about this. You thought I want to attack him?! --Wüstenfuchs 14:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, you observed the article from a wrong angle. Since the establishment of the diplomatic relations with the North Korea, you had this treaty about the improvment of the relations and Josipović's condolence. Tell me, what would you write if in some case you wrote this article? You would avoid this part? I found this article rather interesting as North Korea is... somewhat unknown country. What I think about Josipović's move? It's like sending condolence to the people of Poland or Germany. North Korea has it's problems al right, but diplomatic relations with North Korea aren't bad thing at all. What about Putin? Yesterday Russia wrote off 90% of North Koreas debt, and you would, I guess, consider this a criticitism? Why is an official condolence a critic to you? Why would anyone in the world think that this is a wrong, bad move. Oh, and about "rather suprising", it was in the source. Maybe you didn't read it. It's not that I made up the thing. --Wüstenfuchs 14:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Central Croatia, Slavonia, Dalmatia

Hi! Thanks for the heads-up. I took the opportunity to point out a thing or two as well, if you don't mind.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Yugoslav Wars

Could you review some of the latest edit of 23_editor on Battle of Sarajevo?. His edit about the numbers of combatants seems highly questionable (70,000 Bosnians vs. 18,000 Serbs).--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 20:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:School of Dental Medicine, University of Zagreb

Please take a look - I suppose the article might be on your watchlist anyway. GregorB (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Notification

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you. (I know you're familiar with ARBMAC, but I'm kind of at the end of my rope here. Please stop posting personal attacks at every turn.) -- Director (talk) 13:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Re:anti-Croatian sentiment

Ok, I'm sorry, but my first selected sentence was definitely not an anti-Croatian statement. Otherwise, I love Croatia and the Croatian people. But I still don't understant, why should we use a Croatian name variant for a Hungarian people who held other offices before the Banate of Croatia. I hope the article John Both de Bajna will not be move to Ivan Bot. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:38, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Croatian–Ottoman Wars

I answered to your statement. Bye, AndreaFox ^{Knock here...} 10:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Consulate General of Serbia in Vukovar

Thanks for spotting that: I didn't see the deletion discussion, so was unaware I was recreating a deleted article. I've now changed it back to a redirect. -- The Anome (talk) 16:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Notice of ArbMac you sent to Norden1990

I have seen that you sent a notice of ArbMac to Norden1990. However, you should know that when you make content related edits in a certain topic area in Wikipedia, you must leave your admin-robe behind there. How does it look like that "This notice is issued in view of your edits to Emerik Derenčin" when you edit the article in question? So that this notice is not like it had been issued by an administrator as you are an involved admin there. And if anyone should fill a request for arbitration for Norden1990, (btw it is an unlikely event) , said person can't refer to the fact that Norden1990 was noticed of ArbMac by admin Joy.--Nmate (talk) 15:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

--Okay.--Nmate (talk) 06:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Possible sock

Having seen already too late the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ali Muratovic/Archive, I wanted to discuss with you that I suspect that Special:Contributions/58.173.108.6 is also Ali´s sock but I am not 100% sure. You blocked him already, and I reverted him on several occasions and even asked him please to add edit summaries, which he never did. Bosnian and Islamic topics, removal of red-links, removal of referecences to Serbia/Croatia while leaving Bosnia, etc. Hmmm...

You know, Ali did answered on one occasion. It was still in the begining, and he answered to me and to LadyofShallot. I tried to add that info to the sock investigation, as his answers were quite peculiar and demonstrative of his POV, but I added it here not knowing that once the cases are archived no one should add comments anymore, but I started from the principle that he made so many socks that the issue is likely not over, so more comments could be usefull.

Anyway, hey, you archived your talkpage! You broke your own tradition of possibly having the logest talkpage on en.wiki. Congrats! :) FkpCascais (talk) 22:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

References

As for Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg), how many references are needed? --Silverije (talk) 12:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Stana Katic / Katić

Hi. I reverted your mentioning of the name Katić in the article on Stana Katic. There has been a prolonged discussion on the article's talk page about whether the article should include either Katić or Катић, and the current consensus is that these forms should not be included. In my opinion, WP:R#PLA does not apply in this case, since anyone who might try looking up "Stana Katić" is already going to have some familiarity with Serbo-Croatian orthography, so they won't be astonished in the slightest when they get redirected to an article with a diacritic-free title. If you still disagree with my having reverted here, I would invite you to get involved in the discussion on the article's talk page. — Richwales 14:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Mismatched titles

I've found two cases in which the article title and the corresponding talk page title are mismatched and linked with redirects: Croatia–United States relations, Croatian Democratic Alliance of Slavonia and Baranja. Not sure how to fix it, could you take a look? GregorB (talk) 11:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Here is one more: Gaj's Latin alphabet. GregorB (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear Joy can I have your assistance

The user Wüstenfuchs is behaving disruptively towards the Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina article, removing sourced information on the early settlements of Croat tribes in the 7th century (John Fine, Google books link), and persistently mentioning the Stecci in the context of the first Croatian king Tomislav, on one hand constituting an anachronism, and on the other, a flawed and feeble attempt to somehow prove the "Croatianess" of the Stecci. In addition he insists on advancing the claim that Tomislav's kingdom covered whole of Bosnia as an indisputable fact (which it is not), and has repeatedly removed a link neatly embedded by me to a well-sourced discussion about this on the page about king Tomislav. I think his comment that "Croats settled in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well, and they inhabitet majority of it. Most of Bosnia was under Croatia" pretty much explains his biased and predetermined view on things. Please visit Wüstenfuchs' and my talk page for further information. Thank you. Praxis Icosahedron (talk) 18:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation possibly needed

Hi! I'm not sure about this, but perhaps it would be wise to create disambiguation page about different "Pandurs" after all. There is the Trenck's unit (covered by the Pandurs now exclusively), there are late 18th century frontier guard (facing the Ottoman empire) unit type (no article yet) - which have absolutely nothing to do with the Trenck, except shared name, there are "security" guards, policing areas in Croatia, Slavonia, Dalmatia, maybe elsewhere, and there were Pandurs in Romania, currently covered by Tudor Vladimirescu. As I said, I'm not too sure about how to proceed (there may be other uses too, which I'm not aware of), so could you please pitch in? Thanks.--Tomobe03 (talk) 08:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Independence of Croatia

Hi! I had a chance to look at the Independence of Croatia article recently and added a few missing refs to leave no paras unsupported. The article looks as if it has a decent shot at WP:GAN, perhaps missing some information in the lead per WP:LEAD and a copyedit beforehand. Would you be interested in taking that up?--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback

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E-novine

There's another discussion at the Boris Malagurski article and at RSN regarding the reliability of E-novine which you were previously involved in February. Thought you might be interested. --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 15:18, 8 November 2012 (UTC)