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Administrators' newsletter – July 2020

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• Following the banning of an editor by the WMF last year, the Arbitration Committee resolved to hold an RfC regarding on-wiki harassment. The RfC has been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Anti-harassment RfC and is open to comments from the community.
• The Medicine case was closed, with a remedy authorizing standard discretionary sanctions for all discussions about pharmaceutical drug prices and pricing and for edits adding, changing, or removing pharmaceutical drug prices or pricing from articles.

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Welcome new GOCE Coordinator!

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Congrats on your election as a Coordinator for the Guild of Copy Editors and thank you for being willing to serve. As an outgoing coordinator, I thought I'd provide you with some links and other info, and some advice that I received:

Please remember that, as the main Coordinators page states, we are "responsible for maintaining the Guild's internal structure and processes. [We] do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers." We operate by (sometimes presumed) consensus and do our best to check in with one another before taking an action that another coordinator might reasonably revert.

A few things you might want to check that you have in order:

• Familiarize yourself with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/Task list. If you're curious about how something is done, you can usually figure it out from the page history of the last time a task was addressed. There are step-by-step instructions for drives, blitzes, and award templates. If you have a question or want a second opinion, leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators.
• Familiarize yourself with the layout of all the Guild pages, what information is where, and how to direct new copyeditors to the information they need.
• Try to get all of these pages on your watchlist. Also watchlist the red-linked ones at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/Archives and Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/Archives so you'll receive a notification when a new blitz/drive/barnstar page is set up.

If you're into this sort of thing, you can display the coordinator insignia (above) on your user page, along with Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/Userbox on your user page. You can also display a top icon using:

{{Top icon | imagename = GOCE Coordinator.png | wikilink = Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators | description = This user is a '''[[wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators|Coordinator]]''' for the '''[[wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors|Guild of Copy Editors]]'''. | id = GOCEcoordinator-icon }}

but it's difficult to make out at tiny size. There is also the regular Template:GOCE topicon.

Thanks again for being willing to serve. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips Reidgreg! I look forward to helping out. All the best -- puddleglum^2.0 21:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter

The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

• Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
• The Rambling Man , with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
• Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

Between them, contestants managed 14 featured articles, 9 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 152 good articles, 136 DYK entries, 55 ITN entries, 65 featured article candidate reviews and 221 good article reviews. Additionally, MPJ-DK added 3 items to featured topics and 44 to good topics. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 710 good article reviews, in comparison to 387 good articles submitted for review and promoted. These large numbers are probably linked to a GAN backlog drive in April and May, and the changed patterns of editing during the COVID-19 pandemic. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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My congrats

Congrats on your election as a Coordinator for the Guild of Copy Editors, you deserve every election you win and every barnstar you get here. --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 10:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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Counter-Vandalism Unit: prospective student

Hi, I would like to learn to fight vandalism in the Counter-Vandalism Academy. I see that at the moment you have no open student slots, but I'm fine waiting until you can take another pupil, if you'll accept me. I'm also a member of GOCE. Thanks in advance!

Alan Islas (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Alan Islas, hi, thanks for reaching out! So, I think I've got two options for you. I'd love to take you on, but yes, as you say, I'm rather busy right now, both with CVUA and RL, but if you're willing to accept that it will take me longer (maybe up to days, though I'll try to do it ASAP) to grade your answers, I can set things up, or you can wait until a student graduates (right now, I think that would probably be two to three weeks). Hope these options help, I look forward to your reply! Cheers -- puddleglum^2.0 21:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Both options work for me actually. I don't mind waiting for the grades at all, so if that's ok we can get started whenever you have a chance. I'm not in a hurry. I created my Wikipedia account a few years back but only about six months ago started to edit more in earnest. I think at this point I'm hopelessly hooked, so will be here for the long run. Thanks, looking forward to starting with the Academy! Alan Islas (talk) 23:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Alan Islas, ok, sounds good! I'll get your page set up as soon as I have the time. All the best -- puddleglum^2.0 23:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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CVUA admission request

Hi, @Puddleglum2.0, hope that you will be fine. I'm here to request you that can you accept me as your pupil for training vandalism? I'm nearly 3 months old user. Please ping me if you agree. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 12:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Empire AS, hi, thanks for reaching out. Maybe you should wait for your other request to be answered? I'm hesitant to accept you based on the advice given you by Girth and Cass - but I may be easier persuaded. =) It looks like even without the CVUA course, you're doing a great job reverting vandalism - saw that you just received PCR rights, congratulations and thank you for your work you do here, please don't let this discourage you. All the best, -- puddleglum^2.0 18:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Puddleglum2.0, Thank you for encouraging and congratulating me. You're too nice. An admin suggested me to get training from CVUA to get rollback rights. So, I asked Girth, but they responded that they are too busy right now. Cass advised me to use a computer instead of tablet. However, I don't even know how to use a computer. Therefore, I request you to accept me as your pupil. But one thing for which I apologise is that I can't use computer or laptop. I can use desktop site on mobile or tablet for this purpose. Mention me in your reply. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 12:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Empire AS, OK, I can probably accept you in about a week's time, when one of my students will probably be done. I do want to make sure of one thing though - as they are a very important thing in the course, could you please give me a diff of this revision (or any other). You can read how at WP:DIFF. Thanks! -- puddleglum^2.0 22:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Puddleglum2.0, Thank you for accepting my request. I've made these 2 diffs, you can see whether it's right or false.[1][2] Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 02:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Saturn V

Would you like to review the Saturn V for GA? If you don't or can't it is fine. Good job on the GOCE! Best, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, hi, good to hear from you! I'd love to do the Saturn V review, but I really don't have a ton of time right now - I'm busy with the GOCE, Signpost, and CVUA, all handled while being busy IRL. I can refer you to some other hopefully helpful things - maybe contribute more to the article more than you did to the Deep Blue article - this will give reviewers a better view of you and show them that you're dedicated. After you've done that, if you want your request fasttracked, you can request a review from some prolific editors who have a lot more time than me - maybe @The Rambling Man:? (Although you might have to do a quid pro quo for them. =) ) Anyway, I'm sorry I don't have the time, I'd love to but am unfortunately unable. Hope you understand. Cheers -- puddleglum^2.0 18:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I helped the article with refs a lot over the last week or so. Thanks for your time! Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, glad to hear it, thank you for your work! All the best -- puddleglum^2.0 18:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of copyrighted page Josias Welsh

Hi Puddleglum I know it's not your job to educate me but I had a page deleted for copyright and have no idea why. The book was published in 1879 so I believe it is out of copyright and therefore in the public domain. I had added a This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. after the reference which was given. There are scans on internet archive here: https://archive.org/details/genealogicalmemo00byuroge and https://archive.org/details/genealogicalmem02rogegoog and https://archive.org/details/genealogicalknox00rogeuoft. Would you be able to advise me on what text I am allowed to use or point me in the direction of the answer? Thanks Ehdeejay (talk) 09:03, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Ehdeejay: Don't worry it was not deleted it was just tagged. Puddleglum made a mistake but Rosguill removed it. Best, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, nope, Rosguill and I made a mistake - it was deleted, but Rosguill's restored it now. Sorry for the confusion and mistakes Ehdeejay! Cheers -- puddleglum^2.0 18:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Same! Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 18:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

AfD

I respectfully request that you please undo your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/V. H. Lewis, restore the AfD template to the article, and allow a Wikipedia administrator to close the discussion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:25, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, why? You're the only person who !voted delete, and I thought the keeps before and after pretty much refuted your !vote (although it was well thought-out, thanks for your view.) I'd be happy to revert my decision, but I'm afraid I'm going to need a bit more reasoning, as I don't see how it violates the WP:NAC guidelines - consensus was pretty clear I thought. Thanks for bringing this to my attention! Cheers -- puddleglum^2.0 17:57, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

For starters, the nomination for deletion also "counts" as a delete !vote; it appears you are not aware of this. Also, deletion discussions are not closed based upon a vote count, they're supposed to be closed based upon the overall merits of the arguments. It appears that you're aware that the "votes" are actually referred to as "!votes", meaning "not vote". Furthermore, the first two "keep" !votes are not based upon policies or guidelines: they're based upon personal opinion that has no consensus in the community, and carry little weight. There is no presumed notabilty for religious subjects on English Wikipedia at this time. Again, I request that you please comply with my sincere request above and allow for an admin to close the discussion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:17, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Northamerica1000, of course I know the debates are based off of consencus, not votes, and that the nomination counts - I meant to say your's was the only agreeing !vote. (Not that it matters of course, as it's built on consencus.) When assessing the merits of the arguments, I pretty much discounted the second vote as you're right, it's based on personal opinion, but for the first vote I counted Peterkingirons comment below the relist, which includes three or four secondary sources, including one from the LA Times, which is both secondary and reliable, and it was not a passing mention. Your argument was built on the fact that we can't have primary sources or passing mentions, which I completely agree with, but after your vote, I count no less than ten sources that are not passing mentions and suitable for the article. I'm just not sure how you can discount all ten sources and delete the article. Of course, I don't have nearly as much experience as you, but this is how I'm seeing things here. I don't doubt your request was sincere, but I also don't want to reverse my close while I still am pretty sure it's correct. I could be completely wrong, I'm open to opening a close reivew if you want, maybe we could get a third opinion from others. Either way, those are my current concerns, thanks again! Cheers -- puddleglum^2.0 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)