User talk:Sesshomaru/Archive 6

RE:Dr. Slump

Kemono is not a genre of fiction to begin with. It's a genre of character design. If you want to mention there being lots of kemono characters in the article text, that's good, but the only pages that should have kemono as a genre are pages on paintings and the like.

Even if it turns out that the kemono article is wrong and it is used to describe fiction, the only pages I'd think would need it as one of their primary genres would be stuff like +Anima, where man-beastman interactions are the primary theme of the work. --tjstrf talk 07:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, sorry how my answer is always NO. Our genre system is an unholy mess right now though, so adding anything unnecessary to it is not going to help.

And yes, +Anima is quite good. Very nice art, good concept and characters, but mysteriously canceled just as the plot was starting to pick up. So be warned that it's going to drop you literally midscene at the end. (The last page has the characters being attacked by a bear with "TO BE CONTINUED" at the bottom. It never was continued.) --tjstrf talk 07:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, we're in luck! It was uncancelled and completed at volume 10. No clue on the site, since the scanlation group dropped the title after volume 7. I'll e-mail you if I find one. --tjstrf talk 19:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

666 Satan & Naruto

i have a long response you'll be gettin as soon as i get home (im in class right now and multi tasking just isnt really workin for me at the moment:P), but im curious as to what your question(if there is one) or if its just a comment... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 17:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

ya, well with the whole 666 Satan thing, the reason i edit so much is i brought it from a small unorganized article to what it is today mostly on my own/with the help of a few people...

and on the topic of similarities, well i never specifically stated that it was only naruto and dbz that influenced 666 Satan, but it has been mentioned in various volumes of naruto (and i also believe 666 Satan, or possibly the other way around, idk) on the back cover where they have writers notes, that dbz influenced a lot of "me and my brothers drawings" and i understand that in the world of art, that influence can come from all over the place (i know this from personal experience as an artist) so i have no doubt that he may have gained influence from various other mangas/artists over the years

but to answer what i think you were possibly hinting at (the fact that the similarities section only has similarities to dbz and similarities to naruto is that dbz bein the stated one in w/e volumes those comments were found in, and the naruto part because of the fact that its his brother who does the series, and to be completely honest we (founding members) have not removed it is that its important enough to note, yet also not just get a passing mention, but my main reason for removing things like the yu-gi-oh comment is that small passing coincidents like that dont seem to merit a section, and i felt like it was one of those things that was like "this series has a tournament in it just as (insert some random series that a tournament)"... did that answer your question though??? Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 18:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

no problem, drop me a line if ya ever are curious about somethin or just need some help with w/e... im eager to help (either work or advice or just w/e) and... ya, peace... Ancientanubis, talk Editor Review 19:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Cruft Conspricy

Lets hope its not a case of mutiple Prince Zarbon sockpuppeting and just a few users making new user mistakes. If not than we might be in some trouble. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 19:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I've already got rid of the Plot summaries on most of the articles, though no one has replaced it with anything suitible. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 19:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyway Vegeta however is doing pretty good right now, all it needs are some references. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 19:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: no userfied interwikis

[1] While I agree with your removal of FU images and categories, there's no reason to comment out the interwiki links as well. They are a strictly one-way link (meaning that you couldn't stumble upon User:TimySmidge/Son Goten from ja:孫悟天 just because the former links to the later), and there's no policy or guideline saying that they need to remain off of articles being developed in userspace. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Buu

This disambiguation page is absolutely in line with WP standards - I'm really not sure what you're attempting to do with your formatting changes, but they were unnecessary. Deiz talk 02:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Astro Boy's gender

Are you referring to the fact that Astro's a robot and therefore has no gender? I don't know, to me he's a "boy" robot. He even has a robot "sister", so robots in Tezuka's world may have a gender.

Also, Astro is categorized as a child superhero. Again, to me he's a "boy" so I think it applies.--Nohansen 04:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Shapeshifters

A very good point. I've initiated a discussion at Category talk:Fictional shapeshifters to see if we can create a more precise definition than what's there. Good call. --Tenebrae 14:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

re:Shapeshifter category vagueness

I think the Tenebrae is looking for a bit more input on the cat's talk page before anyone unilaterally adds/changes the cat's criteria. It may be best for you to chip in your thoughts there and see if anyone else has something to add. (And yes, I did notice that the discussion was kicked off between you and Tenebrae on you respective talk pages.)

I'd also give the discussion at least a week, or neutrally cross post to the relevant project talk pages to let more editors know that a discussion is happening. - J Greb 06:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Dragon Ball

Looks like you did fine on your own. I would love to help out with DBZ articles, but I have a lot of real-world stuff going on right now so I can't. You can see Portal:Naruto isn't even updated very often; I was really hoping that someone else would take an interest in actively editing the portal but that hasn't happened. Maybe I'll get back to editing it when I have more free time. In the meantime, I can only give you a few suggestions:

1. Remember a portal is primarily for readers, not editors, so think off things that you would want to see as a regular user.
2. The most vital part of a portal is NEWS so always keep it updated!
3. You can encourage users to have casual conversations in the Talk Page of the portal. I think it's OK to have that; we have a regional noticeboard for Philippines-related articles at WT:TAMBAY, and a lot of the conversations there are not necessarily related to improving articles.
4. When you're ready to show it off to the world, you may want to add it to Portal:List of portals.

That's it for now. Good Luck — Sandtiger 11:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Look

I just want you to know that my dad is not User:Peter Vogel. Please look at this. My dad cleary wrote this. P.S. I am not Peter Vogel either. --TimySmidge Jr. 18:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Peter Vogel???

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not Peter Vogel. Never have been and never will be. The evidence you provide of me being him is poor at best. I appologized about the things I said on Project Dragon Ball talk page. This is a very immature way to get back at me.

This edit was made by the one AND ONLY--Lucky Mitch 19:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Is there anything I can do to prove I am not Peter Vogel? The sign calling me a "sockpuppet" on my user page has become very annoying and I feel insulted everytime I see it, but at the same time I don't want to remove it because if I do you will most likely see this as incriminating. Please respond as soon as possible.--Lucky Mitch 03:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for the rude "your majesty" comment I made earlier. I have just looked at Peter Vogel's edits and have noticed how serious of a problem this really is. I would just like to add that I was in favor of the shortening of the plots and getting rid of all the "cruft", the thing that I was most trying to defend on this page was mainly the transformations sections of each character as well as the English names. However I have long since gotten over all of that. Peter Vogel's edits are mostly excessive, poorly written, and redundant. I am all for getting rid of this "cruft" as it is called.--Lucky Mitch 05:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

CFD nomination

I've transferred the discussion of Category:Wikipedians who like Inu Yasha to the speedy renaming section of Wikipedia:User categories for discussion, since that forum discusses user-related categories and WP:CFD doesn't. You're not the first, don't worry! Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 23:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Google Gulp

Re this edit: can you explain to me why (as your edit summary implies) Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects requires this deletion? It seems to me that that guideline only purports to give examples of useful categorizations, not an exhaustive list. This categorization is useful because it enables someone browsing Category:Fictional drinks to find Google Gulp, which is a fictional drink. —Blotwell 05:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

motorola 68000

Hi, you put motorola 68000 in WikiProject Hong Kong. Why? I just took it out. Potatoswatter 03:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Doki

It's all in the name: Doki means angry demons. Not much of a stretch to assume they are what they're named. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Batman

Yeah, I don't want to cause a problem; sorry about that. It's been discussed on the WikiProject Comics talk page (I don't want to trawl through the talk page archives, but I will if you want) before that even though an article is about a superhero it isn't self-evident that it's about a fictional character. Both you and I know there's no such thing in real life (still there's always a chance someone could put on a costume and run around breaking legs . . .) but Wikipedia articles are written for a general audience. In spite of the character's global ubiquity, we can't necessarily assume when introducing Batman in the first paragraph of the article that the reader knows who Batman is, much less that he is a superhero or a fictional character. Thus the word "fictional' should be there from the outset. As for the body of the article, note the section in the Exemplars titled "Fictional character biography". It says, "The biography of the character. Filling in the first (or primary, if the 'main' version isn't the original) continuity version of the character's history. Note that such a biography should assert the character's fictionality in their biography and should not be written in a manner that asserts that the events happened themselves". There have been several discussions on the talk page that the inclusion of the word "fictional" in the header is more or less mandatory in comics articles.

Of course, there's the simple fact that Wiki guidelines are just that: guidelines. We are encourgaged to ignore guidelines if they interfer with the composition of a well-written article (see WP:IAR). However, in this case I see no reason to ignore the guidelines. As someone who's worked on a number of FA articles, it's become apparent that (at least in the lead) you don't want to assume that a reader has a basic familiarity with the subject. After all, the lead, and particularly the first sentence, is meant to be simple distillation of what the article is about and why it matters. WesleyDodds 22:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I've found one discussion: [2] WesleyDodds 23:01, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's a discussion about fictional aliens (as far as we know, all aliens are fictional, but it mentions the need to mention that they are fictional): [3] WesleyDodds 23:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Two more: [4], [5] WesleyDodds 23:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The Notorious B.I.G.

Hi Sesshomaru, I partially reverted this edit you made because of manual of style corrections. Here's a couple of reasons why I changed the edit:

• Words like "rapper" don't need to be linked to "rapping" (per WP:R#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken).
• Albums are always italicised (per WP:ITALICS).
• Faith Evans doesn't need to be wikilinked because it's already linked in the same section (per WP:OVERLINK).
• Although true, words like "tragedy" in the heading implies pov.

Apologies for the rant, but I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from. Thanks. Spellcast 06:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you specify which wikilinks you're referring to? I don't think low value items like "album" really need to be wikilinked. And the "Murdered hip hop musicians" category does seem kind of redundant to "Murdered rappers" (you can take it to WP:CFD if you wish). But then again, some hip hop musicians like DJs aren't necessarily rappers. Spellcast 22:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The murdered rappers category can probably be merged into murdered hip hop musicians. There's only 3 non-rappers in murdered hip hop musicians. I'd support a merge if you took it to CfD. And with the wikilinks, linking unbroken redirects is explicitly forbidden in WP:R#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken. I'm looking through the featured articles of musicians and actors and I hardly ever see "film" or "albums" linked. It provides no additional information from the text, whereas linking albums like Ready to Die certainly does. Spellcast 23:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Responses

Someone accused me of being sockpuppet of you? Thats insane! We used to argue like crazy, and our acounts were created at completely differn't times. Sorry about the Freeza's mother buisness I was reverting back some other things and I thought I was reverting that instead of adding it back, I did not actually add it. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Over the Hedge (Nintendo DS)

I've been trying to have this page redirected to Over the Hedge (video game) ever since you attempted that, see this history page and the discussion one. The problem is that A Link to the Past (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is trying to keep it for what I see as not a good enough reason. I told him in my edit summary that it didn't need its own article and although it is slightly different, it could easily be mentioned in Over the Hedge (video game). What to do? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well you are right, it is the same game, and doesnt deserve its own page, hence the reason i moved it. many games have different developers and slightly different features and mentioning this on your page is enough, well thats what i belive. Im gonna revert his edit now. but if he keeps on doing this go to wikiproject CVG and ask them on the talk page. Otherwise you could always put his page up for deletion and let the admins decide.

A good example of different features is Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, where there are seperate characters for the Game Boy Advance. Hoped this helped, ill go revert his edit now. Salavat 03:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

If there was notible difference between games the nintendo Ds version would of had a different title such as "Over the Hedge DS". Salavat 03:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I already gave him a three-revert warning in that if he does it again he's blocked. I've been considering taking it to WP:AFD, however. Let me finish up a few other things and I'll settle this case. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Good work. seems like he is just trying to protect his creation. just make sure he doesnt revert the redirect again and we are all good. Salavat 03:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

A Link to the Past is getting really worked up about this i think the page should be deleted as he seems not to want a merge. if you dont want to tag it for deletion i will , as for now im going offline for a couple of hours, hope you can resolve the issue. 05:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salavat (talk • contribs)

WP:HAT

Thanks for letting me know - I've dropped my thoughts in. (Emperor 11:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC))

2Pac

Thanks for your compliments and your further improvements to the article. It looks as if Shadyaftrmathgunit's edit changed the infobox's color highlights from gray to khaki, in accordance with a color code indicating the type of musician the box is about. Only the keyword with underscores would work for this. See the source of Template:Infobox musical artist/color selector. – Smyth\^talk 12:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there anything I've recently worded strangely at 2Pac? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. – Smyth\^talk 10:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Majin Buu

The gender thing was somthing that I just thought I'd throw in there, I added gender to Piccolo's page as well. And what do you mean what happened to Kid Buu? Chibi Buu is the original phrase for him, same with Super Buu being Shin Buu, ect. --VorangorTheDemon 17:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, more elaboration :D I got rid of Kid Buu because Chibi Buu and Kid Buu are the same thing, it's just one's English and the other is Japanese. Also I actually let it pass because Kid Buu or Chibi Buu are not aliases, they are alternate names that he is known by just from people outside the series. An alias is an alternate name that you call yourself as in your alias on Wikipedia being Sesshomaru. The only real alias on the list is Mr. Buu. --VorangorTheDemon 18:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Genders: Piccolo's is verified, however I don't have the volume, it should be in DBZ manga vol. 6. I didn't add Freeza's, but his<--("his", I'm not trying to jump the gun) father in volume 12 refers to him as "my son", so it can be concluded that he is male. Sanichourou (Guru) on Namek only refers to the Nameks as "my children". I've read volume 6 before and Kuririn asks dende about Namekian females, and Dende states that he does no know what females are because all Nameks are the same. I agree with the Majin Buu unverified gender thing, however, he is constantly referred to as male by both Babidi and the Z fighters. It's just that I find some of this stuff rediculous because for example: Yamcha is male, just because it doesn't say it anywhere doesn't mean that he isn't. Tenshinhan is also male, Giran (From Dragon Ball) is male, ect. Get my point? --VorangorTheDemon 18:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Tell you the truth, I don't think it really matters, the only one that I think that should be mentioned is probably Piccolo: being that he is neither. I just added it just to add it, but on the other hand, it's rather trivial in my opinion. --VorangorTheDemon 18:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I've seen that ep on Youtube before. Thanks for the link anyway. I don't think that there are any more lost eps, there was a bunch of eps from pre-Namek saga that were never released in English until the un-cuts were released by Funimation like two years ago or whatever; And because of that, the episode count for the Funimation Dub was only like 270-something instead of 291 like it was supposed to be. Ocean Dub has never done the later Freeza saga with SSj Goku, however, they actually did the rest of Dragon Ball Z up through the Buu saga: lots of people think that they only did to DBZ, ep 64. There is a DBZ OVA: "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans". Not a lot of people even know that this exists. Funimation did dub it a few years ago, but I don't think that they ever released it to the public. I guess that could be considered a "Lost TV special". --VorangorTheDemon 15:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

They might have those eps, maybe not though. I'm not entirely sure what ep numbers they'd be, probably 40-somethings. However, they're boring eps, that's why they didn't release them the first time. It's simply eps of the journey to Namek, most of them are filler. I watched that "lost TV special" on YouTube a few months ago. Just look up "DBZ lost movie" or "Plan to eradicate the Saiyans", and I'm sure it'll come up. I'm not sure if it's an OVA, it's more just a regular Television Special that was never released on video in the US. --VorangorTheDemon 16:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I've been a fan for about six years now, my favorite Dragon Ball anime series is DBZ, however I prefer reading the manga over watching the anime. That's true for me with most animes, especially Naruto, where I hate the anime: It sucks compared to the manga. And I hate GT with a passion, it doesn't have that "Toriyama brilliance and imagination" that DB and Z do. You'll notice that in my edits, I actually don't edit GT sections or articles (VERY rarely I do). Also true with the DB movies, except I actually love the Bardock one, and the fourth DB movie: Path to Power. I bought the Goku Jr one (whatever it's called, it was on sale for $10), and it swore it was the biggest waste of $10 in my life. It's just sitting in my living-room, collecting dust. I'm thinking about selling it, I don't watch it anyway. I'm currently collecting the season boxsets, I have yet to get season 3 though. I've seen all of DBZ like 3 times, English and Japanese. How about you? How long have you been a fan? What's your fav series? --VorangorTheDemon 20:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, since you asked for it.

This is the category that's full of Pokémon articles with section headnotes. Oh and do a one special favor for me. Go here make a section and explain to everyone on the WikiProject why you're doing this. You should do it because if you make a discussion on the Project, then everyone will understand why you're doing this.

I now know why you're doing this, but you should inform the WikiProject so people won't revert you like I did, if you know what I mean. TheBlazikenMaster 19:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand, I was trying to be polite when adding the comments to your talk page. If you are speaking of the section I added to the talk page of the page you reverted, I removed it. TheBlazikenMaster 20:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

For your information

I made a discussion here. You're welcome to reply if you want. TheBlazikenMaster 20:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Fictional character

The Manual of Style stresses that we must make clear the distinction between what's fictional and what's not when writing about fiction. As a look at this page makes clear, you have been told this. Unless someone wants to go through and remove every single in-universe statement from an article, one of the simplest things to do is to state up front that the article is about a fictional character. Never assume that it's implicitly clear to anyone. Write like you're writing for a schizophrenic person who is smart enough to read but not readily clear on what's real and what's not without being told. (Yeah, they won't all believe when told, but believe me, some will.) Wryspy 20:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(writing_about_fiction). You can also look up other material about writing in-universe. Wryspy 20:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Pichu

Hi, I saw the hatnote was placed at the very top of the page. However, Pichu redirects directly to the subsection List of Pokémon (161-180)#Pichu and not to the top of List of Pokémon (161-180). If the reader types "Pichu" in the search bar and directly arrive at the subsection, they don't even have the chance to see the hatnote. WP:HAT#Placement is about placing them above images/infoboxes etc, not about placing them in a way where they have no purpose :-). Cheers, Melsaran (talk) 23:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirects/categories

Well, sorry, but some redirects have categories. I just know about the characters, and I'm so sorry if that's bothering you.Kitty53 01:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the idea! Please respond on my talk page.Kitty53 02:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

You had given me an idea! Thanks! Please respond on my talk page.Kitty53 02:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't asking for any help, I was just telling you thank you for giving me an idea for a new category. Please respond on my talk page.Kitty53 02:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I said I didn't need help creating anything for that moment! It doesn't take hours and hours to respond! Anyway, I was thanking you for giving me an idea for that new category. Please respond on my talk page.Kitty53 01:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Super Saiyan article

Don't worry about that weird edit you did. I know you enough to figure it was a mistake. I know I can be a bitch sometimes and find a comedic pleasure in giving people a hard time. :D Tootles Sesshomaru! --VorangorTheDemon 17:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I knew about that. I saw him take his name off the list of members like two weeks ago or whatever. I was like "what????" when he did, he always seemed so involved. --VorangorTheDemon 19:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Shinobu Sensui

I'm not sure if Sensui is a family name or if it is something else... I'll look at my Shonen Jumps and see what is going on with his name. WhisperToMe 19:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It's Sensui

Title speaks for itself. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)