User talk:Thibbs

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• Y :( -Thibbs (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

AfD FYI

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional badgers Andy Dingley (talk) 23:57, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Andy Dingley. I'll keep an eye on it. At this point I'm leaning toward abstention as my involvement in this article might cloud my ability to neutrally assess the AfD. Just as with the earlier 3O, I'm content to let the community make this decision. I may weigh in if things seem to be especially off the mark, but you also may recall that my original position was that adopting CSC #1 rather than CSC #3 (?) would improve the long-term viability of the list. To date the only part that is well-sourced is the lede that I created in 2012. Articles that eschew reliable sources are inherently unreliable even if listing bluelinks and a local consensus of 3 cannot override a community decision (or the guidelines). For now I'm just an observer.

I know you have a particular fondness for the steampunk badgers (Archie LeBrock, Captain Ramshackle, etc.) so if I were you I would try to locate some reasonable sources that provide significant coverage and that addresses the characters directly and in detail. Even if the AfD concludes in a "keep" or "no consensus" result, it could do no harm to properly source the entries that you care about. If "delete" is the result then the good RSes should be migrated to the articles on the characters (or their respective titles). And in case you're curious, yes, I have backed up the lede just in case. :) -Thibbs (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Your help desk question

Did you get any further help on this? I don't know whether it's a question for WP:VPT but it might be.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:40, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Vchimpanzee. Thanks for following up on this. I came up with a workaround, but I would still be interested to find out if there was a superior solution because the workaround is really pretty messy. I'll see if I can start a thread at VPT if I find some time. Thanks for your help! -Thibbs (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Search Engine request

Hey Thibbs. Can you process some of these Search Engine requests? They seem to be piling up. GamerPro64 18:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• Y Done. -Thibbs (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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• Y OK. -Thibbs (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Spümcø

Template:Spümcø has been nominated for merging with Template:John Kricfalusi. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Molandfreak (talk, contribs, email) 20:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note. I've responded at the discussion. -Thibbs (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Amadeus Revenge

The article Amadeus Revenge has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Lack of notability, minimal sources, largely reliant on game database entries - ABC Online just quotes MobyGames on the subject. I searched for additional sources through archive.org, found nothing.

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• Not the most accurate description I've seen... The infobox does include links to game databases, but the article itself is clearly not based on them. And of course the fact that ABC quotes MobyGames is immaterial considering that no part of the MobyGames quote appears in the Wikipedia article. Better to go through AfD if you insist. -Thibbs (talk) 14:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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Cheers. Merry Christmas to you too. I still have one more day of work and then it's eggnog o'clock! -Thibbs (talk) 05:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Article Feedback

Hi! I've been working on an article (Kremlingames) and I wanted to bring in some outside opinions/input from other users. Wanna check it out and see what you think? Thanks!
Tyrone Madera (talk) 00:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out, Tyrone Madera. It looks like you've expanded the article since I tagged it for WP:VG. I can see that you have made substantial efforts to develop proper coverage for the topic and it seems at first blush to be a notable topic. Your writing style looks good to me and the article seems to be rather comprehensive. As far as the sources are concerned, I think you might benefit from checking out the specific vetted sources listed at WP:VG/RS (especially at the bottom where specific sources are discussed). The ones that stuck out for me the most were the YouTube and Steam store links. Wikipedia tends to frown on YouTube as non-reliable in most cases and the store links (especially if directly linked in the prose) are often regarded as spam. If you are looking for replacement sources, you might try either the WP:VG Search Engines here and/or the WP:VG Reference Library here. Let me know if you need any help. -Thibbs (talk) 03:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Thibbs! I'm glad that you liked the writing style and comprehensiveness, among other things. For the last four games that are listed, I'm thinking about trimming it down because the games are more hard to get ahold of, given that they were created around the time of the inception of the studio.

I actually have a question related to that: is a YouTube playthrough sufficient to prove the existence of a game, if nothing else? The fact that the last four games exist and their premises, on reading their article sections again, are probably all that must be said about them. Wikipedia seems mute on this topic. Would citing the game itself be better than citing a playthrough in this case, even though it's less accessible?

Secondly, should I go ahead and eliminate all of the Steam store citations, or should some be kept such as in parts of the text where I get information like date of release and Steam reviews? Also, you make a good point—I'm removing the in-text links as we speak. Lastly, I'm unsure if primary sources are reliable for things like game development, which is typically only covered by the developer rather than reviewers. Is a dev diary a worthwhile citation when speaking on the development of games?

Thank you very much for your help and feedback! I will definitely look into the WP:VG Search Engines and the WP:VG reference library—I had no idea that we had those! I'll try to get back to you when I've made updates accordingly (only if you don't mind, of course ).Tyrone Madera (talk) 21:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• Would citing the game itself be better than citing a playthrough in this case, even though it's less accessible?. - Yes I would cite the game itself.
• should some be kept such as in parts of the text where I get information like date of release and Steam reviews?. - They can be kept, but they run the risk of being removed. An info-only section would be preferable to the store as that may give the impression of sales. Ultimately WP:SWYGT is the guideline that touches this question most directly.
• Is a dev diary a worthwhile citation - I think that would be better than nothing, but analysis by Wikipedia editors (like you or me) miay stray into the realm of WP:OR. A third-party source analyzing the dev diary would be the best if possible. Failing that, I guess WP:SWYGT would be the main issue.

-Thibbs (talk) 20:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so fast. I'll be sure to implement all of that into the page. I don't know what you meant by an info-only section under the second bullet point, however. Is it a type of source or Wikipedia widget? Also, I checked out WP:VG/RS and found that Game World Navigator was on the inconclusive list. Do you know if we could get it verified one way or the other? The archived talk section by Hellknowz and the fact that it is a printed magazine seems promising. Thanks again, Tyrone Madera (talk) 21:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

• By "info-only" I really mean a technical specs page on a product that doesn't also include a pricetag and a button to send it to your shopping cart. Generally I'd avoid include links to stores unless there is no other option and I'd be prepared for pushback.
• Verification of an RS would have to come from consensus arising from a discussion at WT:VGRS.

-Thibbs (talk) 02:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Yeah, I've been replacing those. What's the best way to propose something for consensus on a talk page? Is there a preferred format or layout? How much detail should I provide? Thanks again :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I haven't been as active at WT:VGRS as I used to be so things may have changed, but generally you start a thread and request opinions. Evaluations generally center on concepts like editorial policy, reputation for fact checking and accuracy, staff background, etc. Generally it's more of a request for community input rather than trying to prove a source as reliable. But there's no real formula. It's just a discussion leading to consensus. -Thibbs (talk) 03:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Thibbs! I've changed out a lot of sourcing in the article. There's only 5 Steam citations left, which I'm having a tricky time replacing (mostly ones related to release dates for Mao's Legacy or citing Steam Reviews). I have about 3 YT citations left to delete. Will start Game World Navigator discussion soon. Thanks again for your help! :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Feature for the Wikiproject Newsletter

Hello Thibbs! I hope Vapours has been treating you well recently. I came up with a pretty, probably nifty idea for the upcoming feature in the newsletter. Instead of it being an essay about my opinions, I think a better idea would be to ask a bunch of users in our Wikiproject what their individual thoughts were on the matter, and put it together kind of like a survey, highlighting unique and common answers among everyone. Do you think that's a good concept that we could use? I'll handle sending out the queries and putting it together if so. Panini^🥪 02:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

The vapours... Yeah so far so good. Thanks for asking. :) I do like the idea you've got there for a survey. I think it was attempted in the newsletter ages ago, but it was just posted and nobody really responded to the open call. So you may have to track people down to get answers. I'll see if I can find a link to the survey I was thinking about. -Thibbs (talk) 03:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Panini!, ah I found it. It wasn't from the WP:VG Newsletter but from WP:VG's Adventure Games Magazine back in 2012. It was kind of a sister publication to the Newsletter. Here's a link. -Thibbs (talk) 03:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thibbs, Thank you, I left a message to 19 other editors. With that being said, do you have any thoughts on the matter? The question is: How do you determine what makes a video game character notable enough for their own page? Do you follow pre-existing guidelines or have your own opinions on the matter? Panini^🥪 13:02, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Panini!:

In my view, the basic answer is found in WP:GNG. There must be multiple reliable sources that cover the topic directly and in depth. Arguments can be made about how many RSes are required and how substantial the coverage must be, but it's ultimately a judgment call. Following the rules pedantically, the absolute minimum would be 2 sources because the plural word "sources" is used and the substantiality is described as "more than a trivial mention". But the barest minimum is not the sort of thing that many editors would allow to fly at AfD if it was nominated. Notability, of course, is only one element of the question. If the topics of the character and the game it came from were closely related there could be a danger of creating a content fork. Other issues worth considering are WP:DUE and WP:TOOBIG.

I would try to follow pre-existing guidelines if available, but I do try to keep the comprehensiveness prong of the encyclopedia in mind as well. Ground-breaking characters of racial, national, religious, gender, sexuality, etc. may be worth covering even if not as well-covered as some of the mega-star characters that we are all familiar with. I must give a caveat here that as far as I know I have never edited a video game character article so I am not the most knowledgeable at the table. I consider WP:CHAR to be a rather recent WikiProject so the rules are a bit looser. I was actually quite amazed to see that the project had just reached its 10th year anniversary earlier this month!

-Thibbs (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Doom Hacker's Guide

I saw that you have a copy of The Doom Hacker's Guide from looking in the reference library. Would you be able to check if it has a section about Doom clones, specifically mentioning the game "Immoral Cumbat"? I'm searching for sources for List of erotic video games, as I'm currently overhauling the whole article, and while looking for sources for an obscure porno Doom clone called "Immoral Cumbat", The Doom Hacker's Guide came up in Google Books. It would be a great help as all I was able to find otherwise was a brief mention of it in a French magazine, which isn't enough to show notability. Thanks. Waxworker (talk) 12:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I just took a look through index of The Doom Hacker's Guide but I didn't see it. I also checked the index for Tricks of the Doom Gurus which is about twice the size. No luck there either. But again I basically stuck to the indices. I'll look a bit more, but if you could find a pincite (page number, etc) I'd be happy to see if I can find anything. -Thibbs (talk) 14:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for looking! Google books doesn't provide any page numbers or a preview unfortunately, it just came up first thing when I searched for the name of the game. If it's not in the index, if it's mentioned at all, it likely isn't covered in depth enough to be useful as a source. I'll just remove the game from the list when I work on it more tonight. I appreciate your help with this. Waxworker (talk) 15:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Help me out here

When is the release date for the next VG newsletter? Panini!^🥪 04:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh boy, I wont be back to working on my computer until July 9th, and the quarter comes out July 6th. Sorry I wont be there for the rest of this quarter! Keep in mind I have the Wikipedia app and am not on browser, so I can hardly do any editing in the meantime. I'll finish my feature (the survey) for the next quarter; if for some reason you want to, I have my data stored on one of my sandboxes, but I wont put that burden on you if you dont want to. Like seriously, dont do if if you dont want to. Panini!^🥪• Panini!^🥪 01:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

• Sorry for the delay Panini!! I'm not going to be able to do anything to speak of on Wikipedia for the next little bit. I'll send you an email to explain what's going on. -Thibbs (talk) 03:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)