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Happy editing! I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 18:01, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Hi thanks for creating José Inácio de Abreu e Lima which I’ve just reviewed. Is it based partly on the pt.wiki article? If so there’s a template I need to add to the talk page. Happy editing and please leave a message in my talk page if you need any help. Mccapra (talk) 07:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Some parts, yes, but not all of it. I'm trying to find more sources to make it more original though. Torimem (talk) 09:21, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

ok thanks. When any material is used across wikis we have to add a translation template to the talk page. This way we have proper attribution for copyright reasons. I’ll add it now and please add it yourself in future if you reuse material from othe4 wikis. All the best Mccapra (talk) 10:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank, I wasn't aware of this. I'll add it from now on and on and also on my previous articles. Torimem (talk) 11:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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A ribbon for you!

Your contributions in the area of Brazilian military history are wonderful to read! Well written, well cited, and very professional. Please take this Great Editing in Progress Ribbon as a token of appreciation, as well as motivation to continue to do bigger and better things. Fritzmann (message me) 18:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Torimem (talk) 00:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Passage of Humaitá

Thank you. I'd noticed you've been contributing a lot to Brazil-related articles. I'm working on another at the moment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ttocserp/sandbox see section 2. Would you like to collaborate? Ttocserp 08:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd love to, but unfortunately I'm very busy right now and I also feel like my writing is not that good. That's an interesting topic, despite being a bit forgotten and ignored, good to see someone shedding some light on it. Where are you from? If you don't mind telling me, of course.Torimem (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Ways to improve Attempted assassination of Pedro II of Brazil

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Thank you for creating Attempted assassination of Pedro II of Brazil.

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Hello, the article has an Unclear citation style - and uncited sections. Additionally this subject is not even mentioned in the main article Pedro II of Brazil. If it is notable it should appear in the main article.

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Bruxton (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bruxton: "this subject is not even mentioned in the main article Pedro II of Brazil. If it is notable it should appear in the main article" - I've noticed this issue and I agree. It was indeed weird that it isn't mentioned in any of the articles related to Pedro II. The problem is that the Pedro II main article is a featured one and I'm not sure if I'm qualified or allowed to make a big change on it.Torimem (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

You can always post it on the talk page of the article. But first check if you can edit it yourself. Bruxton (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Did you get it in there? Bruxton (talk) 00:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bruxton: Just did it!Torimem (talk) 01:08, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Good! It is amazing that an important event like that was not in a FA. Bruxton (talk) 04:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for creating Moderating power (Empire of Brazil).

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@SunDawn: You're welcome! Torimem (talk) 02:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Constitutionalist Revolution

I have seen your edits on this article which look good to me. The expression "broke the front" found in the article looks odd to me. Is it a translation from an article or book in Portuguese?. I don't know any of that language. Should "broke" be" broke through" "destroyed" or "attacked" or something else?Spinney Hill (talk) 08:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC),

@Spinney Hill: Hey, thank you. Regarding the expression "broke the front": it doesn't seem to be a translation from the article in Portuguese. Anyway, I suppose what the person who wrote it meant was "broke through", as you suggested. Torimem (talk) 00:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Spinney Hill (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Claro Jansson moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Claro Jansson, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Hitro talk 07:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Miguel Costa

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I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Miguel Costa for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

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@FormalDude: Hi, I'm creating an article with the same name. I moved the previous one from "Miguel Costa" to "Miguel Costa (sailor)" to make way for the new one. I fixed the links to the article with its new name before deleting the contents on the redirect page. Torimem (talk) 23:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Your contributions and translations are incredible! I can't commend nor thank you enough for your amazing work on Brazilian history articles, especially ones such as the Integralist Uprising and the Cohen Plan. Your edits are much-needed and very appreciated! FredModulars (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: Hey, thank you. You did an amazing job with the 1937 coup article too. Torimem (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! And, btw, great job finding the images for the Integralist Uprising.

One question though: For the Integralist Uprising photos, did you find the licensing permission on the Memorial da Democracia website? I'm only asking because some especially vital photos (like, of course, the uprising photos, Vargas's Estado Novo radio address, and photos of people like Francisco Campos) could be free of copyright questions if so. FredModulars (talk) 23:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: I did not find it. When I'm in doubt I upload the pictures with the copyright licensing just in case, though I'm really not sure if that's correct. Torimem (talk) 23:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I believe what you did is incorrect, but because you did it in good faith and nobody on Wikipedia really cares about either the Vargas Era or its images, I don't think it matters. At this point, I don't even think Vargas's official photo is within Wikipedia's rules, but, again, I'm pretty sure no one cares. Whichever way it goes, I'll try to find the website's licensing in the future. FredModulars (talk) 00:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: I have some more good pictures. Do you think I should still upload them? Torimem (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

It depends on the source. Are they from a website (like the ones above) or from a book where the source is defined? (Though, honestly, the type doesn't matter if one has a defined source/permission use guideline and the other doesn't.) FredModulars (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: From the exact same website. Torimem (talk) 00:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm trying to search the website for anything about the licensing, but so far, as last time, I can't find anything.

For now, if you would like to upload the images, I would recommend using a fair use rationale, like this (File:MonroePalaceguarded1937.jpeg) or this (File:EstadoNovoRadioAddress1937.jpeg). However, it has a lot of rules attached to it. The photos really have to contribute/depict the events/people of the article (the two for the uprising seem to fit the rules), the quality has to be diminished, there has to be no free equivalent, etc. FredModulars (talk) 00:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Also, check the source of the image. For example, this one (http://memorialdademocracia.com.br/card/tres-tiros-no-pescoco-quase-tiram-a-vida-do-vice-presidente-da-republica#card-7) of Melo Viana is in the public domain for these reasons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Melo_Viana,_Fundo_Correio_da_Manhã_-_2.png). As a rule of thumb, pretty much all Correio da Manhã photos are public domain. FredModulars (talk) 00:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: They have an "all rights reserved" tag on the bottom, but that's all I could find. No information on "Iconographia" either. What a shame really. I won't upload any more pictures then. Torimem (talk) 01:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I saw that, too. I got somewhere (kind of): This image here is dubbed public domain here. I tried to see if alamy counted by contacting the Wikipedia Discord, but, ironically, no one cared and it pretty much got buried quickly. I'll see if I can contact anyone else who knows more about this to find out a solution, because I think these articles are dependent on these illustrations. FredModulars (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I contacted the website, but sadly when I sent the email, it doesn't let you enter your email address... FredModulars (talk) 02:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: Hey, I managed to contact the website. They said they're not the owners of the pictures and actually bought the licensing from an archive to use in their website. In any case, the pics meet the criteria for fair use, right? I'll change the tagging. Torimem (talk) 16:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

On second thought, since I uploaded the pictures on Commons, I think I'll need to request their deletion first. Could you upload them here under a fair use license for me? Torimem (talk) 16:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

No problem. I'll upload them now under fair use. Sorry for the delay in my reply. FredModulars (talk) 03:04, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey! So I think there may be a problem regarding the licensing.

As you can see here, Fournier's photo is PD per the National Archives. However, scroll a few photos here and even though it is "Iconographia," it appears to be extremely similar if not identical without the "1088." It is probably incorrect to label them as fair use if they are in fact PD/under a different license. If you are able to contact the website again (I failed to reach them by email and tried social media to no avail), see if they can just allow the images they purchased to be used on Wikipedia articles. After that, pretty much all of their images will be free of hassle. FredModulars (talk) 04:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Almost a week later and still no reply... Torimem (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, because of their inefficiency, I guess the only option is to assume the other photo, and all other photos from their website with "Iconographia," is under fair use. I will reupload the photo where Integralists are being jailed soon, though the main photo for Integralist Uprising has already been reuploaded. FredModulars (talk) 01:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for creating Taubaté Agreement.

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Awesome stuff! Thanks for working on less-covered topics like this one.

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Ovinus (talk) 02:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Translation request

Hello.

Can you translate and upload the article pt:Palácio Tiradentes in English Wikipedia? This gorgeous Belle Époque building, deserves an article in English Wikipedia.

Yours sincerely, Multituberculata (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Multituberculata: I can do it, but the quality of the sources in the article aren't that good... Torimem (talk) 20:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you for your reply. Multituberculata (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Multituberculata: Done: Tiradentes Palace. Torimem (talk) 03:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the new article! Multituberculata (talk) 15:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Project

Hi! I know we just talked two days ago, but I was wondering if you would like to work on an article together. I think we both know the sad quality of a lot of articles on Brazilian history (mostly pre-Goulart), and we seem to edit a lot of the same stuff. FredModulars (talk) 23:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: Well, I'm more than willing to help, but I'm afraid to compromise myself to large projects since I'm too busy with work. Anyway, I would like to, yes. What article are you planning to work on? Torimem (talk) 23:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I share the same feeling, which is why I have been on and off Wikipedia for the first half of this year. I've been thinking about improving on the 1935 communist uprising for a while now since it's in terrible shape and is significant. If you'd like more to work on something else instead, I'm fine with that, too. FredModulars (talk) 00:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Fine. Let's do it! I'll see if I can gather some good sources and start reading about it. This article would lead to some interesting figures such as Luís Carlos Prestes and his wife Olga. Torimem (talk) 00:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Alright! I'll be doing the same, just notify me after you have collected the information and have the time to work on it. I'm in the same boat as you (with other priorities), so no rush! FredModulars (talk) 00:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

This book by Dulles seems to be a good one on the topic. It is cited by CPDOC in their article about the uprising and given that sources in English are preferred, it could very well be the base source for the article. There are lots of books about it in Portuguese too, but the few ones I've seen so far were written by marxists like Nelson Werneck Sodré or by people directly involved in the event such as Agildo Barata. Is that an issue? Torimem (talk) 18:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I've seen the title before, Dulles is reliable and would be a good source. I also found this one by Levine to be pretty good. I've cited it a lot because it gives a good account of the prelude to and aftermath of the rebellion. And though English sources are preferred, I don't believe I have seen Portuguese sources discouraged upon, like here.

As for sources written by Marxist authors, if we were to use those we should not rely on them, and it would probably be safer to discard the sources altogether unless there would be some section on historiography/legacy. I don't think first-hand accounts and primary sources would be an issue, though. We just have to keep it as objective and unbiased as possible. FredModulars (talk) 20:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@FredModulars: I think I'm ready to work on the article now, sorry for the long wait. Torimem (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm very sorry that I left you hanging. I was off Wikipedia for a while due to real-life demands. I'm not sure if you still want to (or can) work on the article, but if you do, I can promise you I won't disappear again. FredModulars (talk) 21:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

It's alright. I'm free to work on it from 30 December onwards. Torimem (talk) 17:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good. FredModulars (talk) 22:00, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I meant 30 October, aka next week. My bad lol Torimem (talk) 01:21, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

You're good. I thought you meant December and I forgot about checking your talk page. Do you want to start working on the article sometime this week? FredModulars (talk) 18:54, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Quick question

Hey, thanks for creating Tiradentes Palace. For the History section, the article says It's origins date back to 1631, when the members of the Senate and the Chamber of Rio de Janeiro requested the construction of the first building, the Casa de Câmara e Cadeia .... while the first source for that statement says A origem da Casa de Câmara e Cadeia remonta ao ano de 1631, quando os membros do Senado e da Câmara do Rio de Janeiro solicitaram a construção de um edifício especialmente projetado .... I can't speak Spanish but this looks to be a close paraphrase? Ovinus (talk) 05:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes, let me rephrase it in a second. Torimem (talk) 05:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! :) Ovinus (talk)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Torimem. Thank you for creating Blood tribute. User:VickKiang, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

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Autopatrolled permission

Hi I’ve reviewed a number of your new articles and seen you make improvements to ones I started. Have you considered applying to become autopatrolled? You can request the permission at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled. It means your new articles go straight to search engine indexing without waiting in the new page patrol queue, and you don’t need to wait for them to be reviewed. All the best Mccapra (talk) 07:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice @Mccapra, but I actually prefer it this way. Torimem (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Torimem. Thank you for your work on José Joaquim Carneiro de Campos, Marquis of Caravelas. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 17:17, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Siege of Humaitá

Torrimem, we need to rewrite this article. It is a thin article with a completely false map. Have you got time to collaborate? Ttocserp 14:43, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ttocserp; Sure, let's do it. Torimem (talk) 20:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Excellent! How shall we proceed?Ttocserp 21:18, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

We can divide the work among ourselves by sections, but first I need to read on the topic to take some notes and sort things out. I'll let you know when I'm done. If you already have an idea on what sections you want for the article please let me know. It would be good if we could have access to that book by Hooker, but unfortunately I can't find it anywhere on the internet. Torimem (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I have Hooker. Although Hooker is based on Tasso Fragoso (which I also have).

I would suggest the first to do is to establish (1) a common user space you and I can work on in relative privacy (2) a list of sources. Obviously it should include Whigham's Road to Armageddon and Doratioto's Maldita Guerra (I only have it in Spanish). Shall I start by opening a user space and sending you the link? Ttocserp 22:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Sure. I was looking for articles on this topic and found this one which includes that map featured on the Wiki article and even credits it. Torimem (talk) 22:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Let's make future interchanges on the Talk page of thus userspace User:Ttocserp/Siege of Humaitá. (I wanted to make it TorimemTttocserp/Siegeo of Humaitá but it won't let me.) Ttocserp 23:46, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

If you like, I can send you my email. I don't know how to message you.Ttocserp 11:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright. We can also talk directly via Telegram if you don't mind. It's a good medium because there's an option to hide your phone number. Torimem (talk) 16:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)