Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caleb Maupin (2nd nomination)

Caleb Maupin

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Nominating on behalf of User:ZinedineZidane98. My action here is only to provide technical assistance completing the nomination; I am neutral. Original (but mis-placed) rationale was, Article subject is still not mentioned as notable in a single reliable source. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:52, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

delete Lacks RS with which to establish notability. Sources in article do not treat subject in depth. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 23:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. PriceDL (talk) 23:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Pinging the three active participants of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caleb Maupin: Justlettersandnumbers (talk · contribs), C.J. Griffin (talk · contribs), and Pburka (talk · contribs).
Cunard (talk) 07:48, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. the eferences are weither minor PR, or his own work DGG ( talk ) 17:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the sources currently in the article are either not significant or not independent. A COI source linked to RT recently asked for retention citing a slew of articles that mentioned Maupin in passing or not at all. If Maupin's apparent employers can't find significant coverage, it probably is not there to be found. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-commies-next-door/Content?oid=1958161 Eggishornn is bluffing. Every single one of those pieces mentions Maupin. A few of the articles listed do feature Maupin significantly. The Cleveland Scene piece is biographical. The Atlantic Wire article focuses entirely on comments he made. Maupin's presence on the ship to Yemen was part of an international incident. — 2604:2000:7140:3400:D0D8:F217:144B:CF42 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 02:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
Keep - Maupin is a noted journalist among alternative media. Many less significant journalists have pages of their own. The page is being manipulated with the purpose of slandering Maupin and by proxy alternative media. User:ZinedineZidane98 should be removed as he has demonstrated a personal motive to his editing. — StefanHolden (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 03:00, January 4, 2018 (UTC) (UTC).

Keep - Maupin is a respectable and professional journalist. Deleting his Wiki would erase his contributions and do a disservice to youth interested in alternative politics. This is clearly politically motivated — 100.12.24.173 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 03:43, January 4, 2018 (UTC) (UTC).
keep Caleb Maupin is a well-known journalist with a lot of experience. he is respected around the world and has made multiple contributions to the world of journalism as well as politics his sources are valid and can be backed up through multiple media sources. removing this article would be an insult to journalism and media as a whole. — 108.30.120.40 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 03:54, January 4, 2018 (UTC) (UTC).
Keep — Yuri8674 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 04:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
Keep — 12.219.195.2 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 04:31, 4 January 2018 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
Keep - Caleb Maupin has interacted with president trump before by asking him a question relating to relations with Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmQtvk5elYc this proves his notability. — Jackalantern94 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 04:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
Keep - Caleb Maupin is a very well known journalist that interacts with many notable figures. He has traveled to many countries to report first-hand many situations. In accordance with free speech, it would be a shame for such a well known and notable journalist to be silenced by removing this page. It is my opinion that this page should be kept, and even promoted in the interest of keeping true journalism alive.
Keep - Caleb Maupin is a well-known and prolific journalist with a robust online following comparable to other journalists with Wikipedia articles. He is also one of the most well-known figures in the American left currently. Thus, I see no reason why he does not meet the notability guidelines of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.79.235.169 (talk) 09:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Wow. Hehe. See what I'm up against here? ZinedineZidane98 (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it felt the same for me just before Christmas when I was walking through town and came across a flash mob of Santa Clauses racing the other way. Thincat (talk) 10:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Why does ZinedineZidane98 continue to actively misrepresent the truth throughout this process? For months he has been working to get this page removed for obvious political reasons. He went as far misrepresenting Maupin's 2013 CNN interview on the talk page. He has also continually been removing references to Maupin's debate with Augustus Sol Invictus which was promoted by Julian Assange. https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/899139189060632576?lang=en Why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Caleb_Maupin#ZinedineZidane98_has_a_political_agenda_-_He_should_be_blocked_from_this_page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:7140:3400:61F9:8443:A37E:FE0A (talk) 13:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I nominated this for deletion three years ago for lack of notability. At that time, Pburka mentioned the Cleveland Scene article as "significant coverage in a reliable source". It is that; it is also a local newspaper report of a local event, and clearly describes Maupin as one of two leaders of a group with fewer than ten members. The article was kept.

I don't see that anything has changed since then, that any truly substantial and independent national or international coverage has been added to the very tenuous list of references. He has four books listed on Google, all published by CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - How about the fact that he is now writing regular columns for China.org.cn? http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2017-10/18/content_41752768.htm, http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2017-12/16/content_50105823.htm, http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2017-09/24/content_41630454.htm. How about the fact that he was a speaker at the World Festival of Youth and Students in Sochi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrpoS7BWgNc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:7140:3400:61F9:8443:A37E:FE0A (talk) 13:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is obviously either canvassing or socking going on here, likely both. The one article offered above that qualifies as a reliable source is a local newsweekly (and a minor one, at that) talking about Maupin in the context of being one of two leaders of a 10-person group from nearly a decade ago. That is not a significant piece of journalism about Maupin. Absolutely everything that contains the words "Caleb Maupin" one could Google was then shoveled in whether those articles are about Maupin at all or not and without regards to the source quality in an attempt to demonstrate coverage. This is ridiculous and weakens the argument that Maupin is notable in Wikipedia terms, not strengthens it. When an editor need to troll through Washington Examiner, Youtube, Breitbart, The Free Beacon and even Infowars to find one-sentence quotes and the like to try to demonstrate notability they've actually demonstrated the opposite. Attempts to offer up sites controlled by the China Ministry of Information or the Russia Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications as WP:RS are also not persuasive and further the impression that foreign state-controlled actors are attempting to promote a profile of Maupin as a serious journalist. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 13:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Eggishorn, you are misrepresenting the truth, again. Info-wars republished an entire article written by him presenting analysis of drugs. It wasn't a single sentence: https://www.infowars.com/drugs-duterte-the-nature-of-imperialism/ He has been the subject of news stories from Reuters, The Nation, The Atlantic.

Comment "Attempts to offer up sites controlled by the China Ministry of Information or the Russia Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications..." Eggishorn, how is this even an argument? Because Russian and Chinese entities promote him he shouldn't have a page? You are clearly being an activist here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.135.167 (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]