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Shooting of Alton Sterling

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WP:NOTNEWS Cases of death at the hands of law enforcement become notable when there is a landmark legal decision (whether innocent or guilty), or a great amount of demonstration. The sources say around 100 local demonstrators. This is not in the same magnitude as the similar deaths of people like Michael Brown, Eric Garner or Mark Duggan which clearly pass the 10-year test '''tAD''' (talk) 09:07, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Keep The shooting has been getting a lot of media attention and it's the most publicized police shooting in the US so far this year. It has gotten a lot of talk among people online, and it's also caught on FILM, and the protests look pretty strong in number. I don't see this as non-notable at all. If it does become unheard of soon, then it's understandable to find it a candidate for deletion. It is also possible this officer could be charged with a crime, and that could result in a long and widely publicized trial. So why are you immediately wanting to get rid of this page? Cyanidethistles (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
  • There is no deadline, there is nothing to say that this will not be a notable item, and if deleted it would be recreated. You have literally said WP:TOOSOON by adding that nobody has been charged. The current sources say 100 local protestors. That is nothing compared to the nationwide aftermath of the deaths of people like Garner, Brown and Duggan. "talk online" is not a sign of notability. '''tAD''' (talk) 10:55, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately a large number of people are killed by law enforcement in the United States, so much so that Wikipedia has an article for every month. It is far too early to know if this will be one which stands out. "the protests look pretty strong in number" is original research when the maximum per the sources is 200, in a city of a quarter of a million, and compared to the aforementioned cases which had nationwide protests. The 200 in total is nothing compared to how there were 2,000 arrested alone in the unrest after the death of Duggan, in a country where urban unrest is at a lower scale. '''tAD''' (talk) 11:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

So why did shootings like Shooting of Samuel DuBose and Shooting of Dontre Hamilton stay? The first one got quite some national media attention and probably even less protesting, but it's NOT nearly as notable as the Brown or Garner incidents. The Hamilton shooting is probably very unknown to people outside of Wisconsin, and I've heard very little of it on national news, yet it's still here. Cyanidethistles (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS The existence or lack of existence of a page on another subject is not a reason why any other page should exist or not exist. All articles are created by human editors and subject to review at any time '''tAD''' (talk) 11:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Keep Has received a lot of media attention, including from CNN and BBC.—azuki (talk · contribs · email) 11:57, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep CNN and NY news have reported on it. (found via trivial google search for the name). Furthermore I think it seems to fit into the Probably notable category according to Wikipedia:Notability_(events) because the quality of the video is better than most similar incidents, which will likely create re-analysis as time goes on. Jbeyerl (talk) 12:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep, per arguments by Jbeyerl. -Mardus /talk 14:43, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Snow Keep LK (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - Per WP:GNG. The shooting has been widely-covered in international sources. - MrX 15:10, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Clear Keep, very much in the news, very much not a trivia news cycle tidbit.(mercurywoodrose not logged in)50.193.19.66 (talk) 15:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep or merge - There is a listing for this incident here to which "Shooting of Alton Sterling" can be merged. For this reason, I am opposed to deletion. I also oppose a "Snow Keep" at this time, as this AFD is controversial and has been supported by one person. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• By "one person" do you mean the nominator? Λυδαcιτγ 15:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Reply - @Audacity:, it appears that way. My point is that deletion should not be an option so long as the List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, July 2016 article exists. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

• Keep Major coverage already, will be more as time goes on. Λυδαcιτγ 15:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Dept of Justice investigation is said to be planned, which means this story is going to have legs. http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-louisiana-police-officer-kills-man-20160706-snap-story.html Deltopia (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Google already has 573 articles listed for this, so there's plenty of reliable sourcing for an article. Claiming that the event won't end up being notable is fortune telling. If that turns out to be the case, we have the rest of eternity to have a measured discussion of notability. It's a mistake to force that discussion now when events are still unfolding and the impact cannot possibly be known. -- William Pietri (talk) 17:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Looks like a snow keep to me unless you count the one "keep or merge". Well covered in media (As of now, NYT, WSJ, HuffPo, WaPo, CNN, BBC, LAT, USA Today, CBS, ABC, NBC, People, NYD, LeMonde, AlJazeera) Mvolz (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - Passes WP:SIGCOV and just because an event is newsworthy does not prohibit an article about it, especially if said event is covered by reliable, independent sources. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 17:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep The state's governor has announced there will be a federal investigation. That is one indication this is not just a random unfortunate death which gets one news cycle of coverage and fades away. Edison (talk) 18:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep. Sufficient media coverage. 37-year-old registered sex offender and only 200 protesters though, really scraping the barrel. Zaostao (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. This AFD merely makes Wikipedia look silly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:14, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• SNOW Keep because Black Lives Matter (and to say it more appropriately, the Black Lives Matter movement guarantees this incident will go beyond any WP:ONEEVENT concerns.) – Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Delete/merge Unless this is going to stay in the news for more than a day or two, I think this should be deleted or merged into the Law Enforcement Violence articles. I will change my opinion if this turns out to be something akin to Michael Brown/Freddie Gray level, but I think it's very premature to say "Speedy Keep" or obvious keep at this point. This event isn't even a single day old. GoldenSHK (talk) 20:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Delete/merge 'Habanerotalk ^Sign?man 21:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:EVENTCRIT: In-depth coverage from NYT, Washington Post, CNN, CBC BBC, Guardian, and TIME, AP constitutes widespread (national or international) impact and...very widely covered in diverse sources, and far exceeds routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities (from WP:NOTNEWS). Justice Dept. probe and ongoing protests ensure this will last more than a news cycle. FourViolas (talk) 21:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Strong keep This is receiving plenty of media coverage. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Keep because of the huge volume of coverage in high-profile, reliable sources. I'm a user who tends to have a fairly strong bias against wanting one-time news to be included, but the coverage here is great. In particular, there's enough material from reliable sources to write a full article. Cazort (talk) 21:54, 6 July 2016 (UTC)