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This is a cross-wiki redirect to WikiSpecies for a biographical entry on a living individual. [[WP:SSRT]] notes that "only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects", but this is neither such case. Rather than leaving a cross-wiki redirect, [[WP:REDYES]] notes that red links should be created {{tq|whenever a non-existent article with more information would help a reader understand the content of the article in which the red link will appear}}. As such, I believe that we should '''delete''' this cross-wiki redirect and create a redlink in order to encourage the creation of a Wikipedia article on this individual. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 22:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
This is a cross-wiki redirect to WikiSpecies for a biographical entry on a living individual. [[WP:SSRT]] notes that "only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects", but this is neither such case. Rather than leaving a cross-wiki redirect, [[WP:REDYES]] notes that red links should be created {{tq|whenever a non-existent article with more information would help a reader understand the content of the article in which the red link will appear}}. As such, I believe that we should '''delete''' this cross-wiki redirect and create a redlink in order to encourage the creation of a Wikipedia article on this individual. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 22:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

*'''Comment''': On second thought, I don't think this person is actually notable after all. From looking at her [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Trdn0y8AAAAJ Google Scholar profile], despite the high citation counts, each paper has ''way too many authors''. For example, [https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=Trdn0y8AAAAJ&citation_for_view=Trdn0y8AAAAJ:qjMakFHDy7sC the most cited paper] this person worked on has 476 citations and 129 authors. This works out to a little over 3 citations per author, which is ''awful''. I don't think we should ascribe notability to her 128 other coauthors just for working on a percentage point or so of this paper as well, because then the [[WP:PANDORA]] potential is crazy. (The other papers she's worked on are slightly different in the details, but in each case the citations/authors ratio points towards non-notability.) Besides, she's only a grad student (as stated in her [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chada-Norphanphoun ResearchGate profile]), and grad students are often non-notable. Still, there's some content about her in wikispecies, which is of public interest due to the fungal species she helped discover, so deletion is too strong IMHO. Thus I recommend '''keeping'''. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

====Sexuality of Alan Harper====
====Sexuality of Alan Harper====
*<span id="Sexuality of Alan Harper">{{no redirect|1 = Sexuality of Alan Harper }}</span> → [[:Two and a Half Men#Cast and characters]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Sexuality of Alan Harper|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Sexuality of Alan Harper|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Sexuality of Alan Harper|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-03-17&end=2023-04-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sexuality_of_Alan_Harper|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Sexuality of Alan Harper|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sexuality of Alan Harper]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Sexuality of Alan Harper|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sexuality of Alan Harper]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Sexuality of Alan Harper|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sexuality of Alan Harper]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;
*<span id="Sexuality of Alan Harper">{{no redirect|1 = Sexuality of Alan Harper }}</span> → [[:Two and a Half Men#Cast and characters]] <span>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks lx">([[Talk:Sexuality of Alan Harper|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Sexuality of Alan Harper|links]] <b>·</b> [[Special:PageHistory/Sexuality of Alan Harper|history]] <b>·</b> [[:toolforge:pageviews/?start=2023-03-17&end=2023-04-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sexuality_of_Alan_Harper|stats]])</span></span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<small class="plainlinks"><nowiki>[</nowiki>&nbsp;Closure:&nbsp;''{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Sexuality of Alan Harper|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sexuality of Alan Harper]] closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Sexuality of Alan Harper|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sexuality of Alan Harper]] closed as retarget}}}} retarget]<span class="sysop-show">/[{{fullurl:Sexuality of Alan Harper|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sexuality of Alan Harper]] closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]</span>}}''&nbsp;]</small>&nbsp;

Revision as of 19:06, 19 April 2023

April 16

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 16, 2023.

Turning The Tide

This a redirect to an article that makes no mention of the redirects name. A search on the net also yields inconclusive results. Upon further digging, this is apparently the newsletter for this decentralized network, but given the lack of mention and how common this search term is, I'm not sure if it should exist. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk-Contribs) 23:24, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chada Norphanphoun

This is a cross-wiki redirect to WikiSpecies for a biographical entry on a living individual. WP:SSRT notes that "only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects", but this is neither such case. Rather than leaving a cross-wiki redirect, WP:REDYES notes that red links should be created whenever a non-existent article with more information would help a reader understand the content of the article in which the red link will appear. As such, I believe that we should delete this cross-wiki redirect and create a redlink in order to encourage the creation of a Wikipedia article on this individual. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 22:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: On second thought, I don't think this person is actually notable after all. From looking at her Google Scholar profile, despite the high citation counts, each paper has way too many authors. For example, the most cited paper this person worked on has 476 citations and 129 authors. This works out to a little over 3 citations per author, which is awful. I don't think we should ascribe notability to her 128 other coauthors just for working on a percentage point or so of this paper as well, because then the WP:PANDORA potential is crazy. (The other papers she's worked on are slightly different in the details, but in each case the citations/authors ratio points towards non-notability.) Besides, she's only a grad student (as stated in her ResearchGate profile), and grad students are often non-notable. Still, there's some content about her in wikispecies, which is of public interest due to the fungal species she helped discover, so deletion is too strong IMHO. Thus I recommend keeping. Duckmather (talk) 19:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality of Alan Harper

Delete, the target article doesn't have content to justify this redirect. Stumbled on it via Category:Sexuality of individuals (not an individual, btw). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ceremonial Clothing in Judeo-Christian Cultures

An old article name that isn't a likely search, doesn't fit our title structure. Article was moved to a page that is now a redirect itself. Nothing links here. Target article mentions nothing about "Judeo-Christian culture" (sorry, that term gives me the hives.) Nat Gertler (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - a big reason why redirects are created from moves is so that the history of the former page can be retained and any remaining links can be easily evade being broken. - Knightsoftheswords281 (Talk-Contribs) 02:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as misleading and per nom. The target article doesn't address Judeo-Christian culture. The redirect has no incoming mainspace links and receives next to no traffic, so deleting it won't create problems. - Eureka Lott 21:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello (computer virus)

BLAR'd article. The content wasn't merged into the main article and wouldn't fit anywhere on Wikipedia. No mention at target. Randi Moth TalkContribs 18:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete redir’s with no mention at target whatsoever should probably get speedied. Dronebogus (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russian bond

Russian bond(s) just refers to bonds backed by the Russian government, whether pre-Revolution or post-USSR. They're briefly mentioned at Economy of Russia, but not to a degree likely to satisfy a reader searching for this term. I'm thus leaning towards deletion to allow for internal search results and as WP:REDYES over redirection to that page signed, Rosguill talk 18:33, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:EGG Dronebogus (talk) 17:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Urgrund

This redirect used to be a disambiguation page (an albeit ineffective one) to which Urgrund (disambiguation) redirected. Enwiki has no substantive explanation of Urgrund (and no mention at the current target) so a {{Wiktionary redirect}} may be appropriate here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:54, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an editor at the Hegel article, and I would recommend deleting this. Hegel's philosophy of absolute knowing is not, per the categories of his own logic, a grounding relation. This redirect is only going to confuse people, whatever it is they might be looking for. Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 22:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ess Jay Studios

This redirect is not mentioned at target. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russian mystery deaths

Russian mystery deaths is a broad term that doesn't necessarily refer to the 2022-23 phenomenon. Ideally, this could be pointed to List of unsolved murders in Russia but no such article exists at this time. Deletion per WP:REDYES seems appropriate. Russian businessmen mystery deaths is perhaps specific enough, so I'm neutral on that one, but I'm including it in the discussion for completeness' sake. signed, Rosguill talk 18:11, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the second as specific per nom, and weak keep the first as unambiguous. An unsolved murder is different from a mystery death, so I don't think that list if/when created will be appropriate. Jay 💬 18:56, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    My first thought when seeing term 1 was Dyatlov Pass incident, or else one of the other Soviet era conspiracy theories like Lost Cosmonauts. signed, Rosguill talk 21:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not particular about the first redirect, so have struck it off. The two above incidents happened in the Soviet Union, so if we have a list, Soviet mystery deaths will be more like it. Jay 💬 07:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Uanfala (talk) 15:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SoftKey Publishing

Delete. The first edition of the Computist magazine was published in 1981; the company was founded in 1986. There's no evidence that they're the same entity.

(Alternatively, change redirect target to Computist?) 2001:F70:C6C0:1500:76EE:87D6:9A96:D2CF (talk) 13:14, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unless someone provides evidence that the two companies are the same, redirect to Computist. —Psychonaut (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael King III

Speedy delete - Martin Luther King Jr. is his father's legal name. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 11:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Which one of the WP:Criteria for speedy deletion does this redirect meet to make the deletion speedy? Regardless, delete. Martin Luther King Jr. and his father both have "Michael King" as their birth names, so the redirect seems to be following the pattern. However, Martin Luther King III's birth name is indeed Martin, and there doesn't seem to be any evidence that the birth name has been mistaken for Michael other than possibly by the redirect's creator, making it an implausible incorrect name which wouldn't be helpful to a reader. Randi Moth TalkContribs 12:10, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    R2 ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 16:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Plausible {{R from incorrect name}} given that Martin Luther King Jr. was born "Michael King Jr." per above. However, I'm "weak" since it wasn't necessarily ever a legal name for the target, and thus could be a WP:BLP issue. Steel1943 (talk) 00:21, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Network Reconnaissance

Badly capitalised, and not mentioned at the target (the section no longer exists). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renaissance (journal)

Not mentioned at the target and possibly ambiguous with Renaissance Magazine. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be a journal that Ghamidi wrote a lot for [1]. But that's a very tenuous association, and not enough for a redirect. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Jones (1970s singer)

nominated by an IP editor for speedy deletion, because this redirect "links to an irrelevant article" Salvio giuliano 09:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: He was apparently a member of a band called "The Twinkle Stars", which appears to be why the redirect was targeted to that article. No article exists for the relevant band, nor does it exist for the band he was in next, Thunderstorm. There is an article for a band named Thunderstorm, but it's not the one that Billy Jones was in. Doesn't look like there's an appropriate place to retarget to based on no articles existing for the bands that he was in. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:31, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a page with history. Also we may want to bundle Billy Jones (Dutch singer) which was the former title of the page. Jay 💬 17:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled Billy Jones (Dutch singer) with this.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renaissance (restaurant)

"Renaissance" is not mentioned at the target, and this redirect is possibly ambiguous (eg Renaissance Hotels). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

World War II/Infobox

Not useful search terms. However, they contain useful edit history; if they are not deleted, they probably need to be moved without leaving a redirect elsewhere. Steel1943 (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For an opinion on World War II/Infobox.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep or histmerge for World War II/Infobox. I don't see the benefit in deleting it (it seems to be useful inasmuch as its deletion will break incoming links from older discussions, and I weakly oppose deletion on those grounds), but if we do, a histmerge is going to be required for attribution sake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red-tailed hawk (talk • contribs) 23:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • History merge the /Edited Text redirect and then delete it. Weak keep the /Infobox title as the least-bad solution. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:30, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Harassment of W. Duncan

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete as vandalism. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This redirect was the result of a page-move vandalism (see the edit summary here). It has existed since 2006 however, so I preferred to bring it here rather than unilaterally speedying it. There is zero chance of it being linked from external sites. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as the result of a user trying to complain through page-move vandalism. There no informative or historical value here. Glades12 (talk) 09:47, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 11:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).
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