Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 11

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 11, 2024.

Gullible.info

• Gullible.info → Factoid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a very useful redirect. It is mentioned at the target page and receives hundreds of daily pageviews. This title is an alternate name for the subject and it would be a great idea to keep it. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Forced-birther

• Forced-birther → Anti-abortion movements  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Forced-birther → Anti-abortion movements  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think these redirects are appropriate. The language "forced-birther" seems to be rather pejorative, like creating baby murderer and redirecting it to Abortion-rights movements.

I also want to clarify that I do not oppose abortion rights, but WP:NPOV applies to these redirects too. Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

=Forced-birth

Grizzly-1

• Grizzly-1 → List of Beast Wars characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another 2009er, there is no mention of "Grizzly-1" anywhere on Wikipedia. Without any content about this apparent Beast Wars character, this redirect is currently unhelpful and leaves readers lacking information. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Gris (card game)

• Gris (card game) → Pig (card game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of a card game called Gris at the target. Has always been a redirect, used to target Spoons and Spoons (card game) when it was its own thing in 2009. Without a mention or any context as to what "Gris" is, this redirect is not helpful and leaves people confused upon arriving at the page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Gribbly

• Gribbly → Grunge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "grib" at the target article, much less a something or someone that's "gribbly". Alternatives include Gribbly's Day Out which exists as a standalone article, as well as Gribble, Roman Gribbs, and the music director of Rec Room (video game). Zero idea or indication why this is going to Grunge currently, although it's done so since 2007. (Doesn't seem to have been mentioned within the former history of Grunger, which is where it used to point back in 2005). These 2005 redirects are... surely something, lol. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Great September

• Great September → Eternal September  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "great" at the target article. Basically all google search results for a "great september" are in reference to the Great September Gale of 1815, although this is only a partial title match of that. Seems to be an assortment of different septembers that could also be considered "great".

This redirect seems to very much be a product of its time, as this particular September '93 was a lot more "current" in 2005 than it is in 2024. With no mention, a "great September" could refer to a lot of things. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Great Firewall of America

• Great Firewall of America → PROTECT IP Act  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a topic discussed at the target article. It's only mention is being the title of Rebecca MacKinnon op-ed, used as a reference. This particular reference is the only time on all of Wikipedia that it is used.

But as the saying goes, I'll have two nickels here because the same reference is also used in the Stop Online Piracy Act article. But not only just the reference is reused, the entire paragraph is reused, and quotes the op-ed basically as a carbon copy each time, at PROTECT IP Act#Concern for user-generated sites, and Stop Online Piracy Act#Websites that host user content. By the way, the Great Firewall of America isn't discussed in either, but appears as the colloquial name that MacKinnon alludes to in her quotes pulled here. Without any further information and only 2 locations where it comes up at all, this doesn't seem useful or helpful. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Goulash (magazine)

• Goulash (magazine) → Harrow School  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a local(?) satirical(?) magazine published by a boarding school. Zero standalone notability, existed as two sentences that were BLAR'd immediately into the school it was published from. No mention of "goulash" anywhere at the target page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Gorbino's Quest

• Gorbino's Quest → Cruelty Squad  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A fictional element and/or creative work that is not mentioned at the target. "Gorbino" does not appear at the target, nor does "Gorbino" appear anywhere on Wikipedia. Much less their quest appearing anywhere on Wikipedia; no quest is ever alluded to at the target page either. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Good Thing (Jake Miller song)

• Good Thing (Jake Miller song) → Jake Miller (singer)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No such song with this title at the target page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

FIFA 2003

• FIFA 2003 → 2003 FIFA Women's World Cup  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

More likely to refer to the video game FIFA Football 2003. O.N.R. ^(talk) 23:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

• Disambig. Google results are a roughly even three-way split between the world cup, the video game and events relating to FIFA in 2023. I haven't found a good target for the latter, but a dab between the first two is viable with or without that. Thryduulf (talk) 15:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

  Could maybe plug a "See also: FIFA" at the end of the DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate as outlined above as there are multiple things this could refer to. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 12:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
• Revert back to the status quo of redirecting to FIFA Football 2003. The video games are commonly referred to as "FIFA [year]", the World Cup is not. While it's ambiguous, the video game is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and a hatnote should be employed for the World Cup. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

  Based on my research, in practice it seems there is no primary topic for this title. Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

  Show your work then. Per the video game article, it is known as simply FIFA 2003, and my research verifies that it is common for the video game (eg: [1][2][3][4][[5]). I don't see the World Cup referred to as "FIFA 2003" and the exact phrase does not appear in the World Cup article. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not doubting that it's a common name for the video game. However, as I explicitly said in my first comment, google results show it is also a common name for the world cup and events relating to FIFA that happened in 2023. Thryduulf (talk) 01:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

  No, Google results do not show that. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

  Then we must be seeing different google results, because I've looked again, this time in a private window, using the search term FIFA 2023 -Wikipedia my top 30 results are as follows: Video game 13, World cup 10, FIFA events 5, Fifa Club World Cup 2. That's very clearly no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 03:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

  Use quotes, this is an exact phrase. FWIW, my results with that exact search are 27-2-1 in favor of the video game. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

  If I may, my own results (for "FIFA 2023" -wikipedia) are the following:

• FIFA Women's World Cup 2023 (fifa.com)
• Trophy and award winners, for FIFA in 2023 (fifa.com)
• Amazon listing for FIFA 23 on Xbox One
• 2023 FIFA tournaments in photos (fifa.com)
• Forbes article talking about what happened to FIFA in 2023
• FOX Sports page for the Women's World Cup
• Reddit, linking to discussions of the video game AND FIFA itself AND the cup
• Amazon listing for FIFA 23 on PS4
• FIFA 2023 listing on Sony Store Malaysia for... some reason... Google, you know I'm in the Southern US, right???
• FOX Sports for Women's World Cup 2023
• fifa.com again, Watch the best goals from the Women's World Cup
• FIFA 2023 for PS5 listing on... Toys R Us UAE!?!? Google pls
• Olympics.com page about the Women's World Cup
• EA Answers page about FIFA 2023 Career Mode
• okay I don't know what language that's in, Spanish? It's fifa.com tho so I'll assume it's the World Cup and/or FIFA itself
• Youtube link about how to play FIFA 2023 on Android
• Dick's Sporting Goods listing for FIFA 2023 themed soccer balls

Summary, my search is all over the place, with no clear primary target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Lunamann: Can you do some critical thinking about what those results tell you? Of these, how many are an exact title match for "FIFA 2003"? Are you are getting results for the World Cup, but they are simply within the phrase "FIFA 2003 Women's World Cup" (or similar) without solely calling the subject "FIFA 2003"? If so, that's what disambiguators call a "partial title match" and should not be used in a (hypothetical) disambiguation. Would someone simply search "FIFA 2003" looking for the World Cup if it's not used, branded, or abbreviated in that fashion as often as someone looking for a video game that is commonly abbreviated this way? Furthermore, do you think an arbitrary dumping of algorithmic Google search results is a good proxy for determining primary usage on Wikipedia? -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

My search results for the search "FIFA 2023" -Wikipedia -"FIFA's" (the latter exclusion becuase many of the results were for that, but you'd discount them as irrelevant whether they are or not):

• 2× Amazon listing of the game on XBox
• "Smart Home Sounds" listing of the game for PS4
• FOX Sports Women's World Cup 2023 teams
• 5 reddit threads, 3 about the game, 1 about the Women's world cup, 1 about working at FIFA, 1 I can't work out.
• FOX Sports Women's World Cup 2023 news
• Olympics.com Answering questions about the Women's World Cup
• Medium piece about the game
• BBC article about the Women's World Cup
• EA Answers HQ (about the game)
• YouTube video about the best 30 goals in FIFA competitions in 2023
• The FIFA Code of Ethics in Spanish
• BBC Sport article about the Women's World Cup group stages
• YouTube Viode about the game
• "Creative Bloom" article about the Women's World Cup (mainly the logo and similar design elements)
• A mod for the the game
• 3 Google Books results, 1 about the human rights risk at the World Cup, 1 that is a 2023 publication about the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, 1 I don't know - the snippet includes "FIFA 2023 co-hosting plan" but not enough context to make sense of that.
• Marca.com about "The Best FIFA 2023" - "what time and where to watch the FIFA gala on TV and online"
• Microsoft Community about the game on xbox
• 2 Results about buying the game, 1 in Malaysia, 1 in the UAE.
• A Youtube video that I think is about comparing the goals in the Women's World Cup with the goals in the game
• An article about all things FIFA in 2023 including the world cup and the game.

So, even discounting partial title matches, the indication overall is that there is very much no primary topic for the exact phrase. And yes, google search results are one good indication of what people are looking for with a given search term. Thryduulf (talk) 21:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is the proposed target "FIFA 2003" the primary topic? Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect - to FIFA Football 2003. As discussed above, the World Cup is not referred to as "FIFA x year". The FIFA games are. I appreciate the research regarding primary topic, but the fact is that the 2003 Women's World Cup is simply not referred to as FIFA 2003. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 14:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  the fact is that the 2003 Women's World Cup is simply not referred to as FIFA 2003 that's true only if you disregard all the evidence presented above that shows it is. Thryduulf (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  No such evidence has been provided. Which sources refer to the 2003 Women's World Cup as "FIFA 2003"? -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  You mean no such evidence other than the evidence presented by myself and Lunamann of multiple sources referring to multiple topics, including the women's world cup, as "FIFA 2023"? Thryduulf (talk) 01:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

  No, I don't see anything in the search results that y'all regurgitated without context which refers to the 2003 FIFA World Cup as "FIFA 2003". Everything Women's World Cup related looks to be WP:PTMs for that specific term. Help me out then: which sources specifically refer to the 2003 Women's World Cup as "FIFA 2003"? -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to FIFA Football 2003 per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 08:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try — disambiguate or retarget to FIFA Football 2003?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Gib gnab

• Gib gnab → The Restaurant at the End of the Universe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Gnab gib → Big Crunch  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Gnab Gib → Big Crunch  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of this term at either of the target pages, and no mention of this term on all of Wikipedia. One of these was created 19 years before the other, which doesn't matter but still interesting. I've now come to understand this term being "Big Bang" backwards, but without context these have debatable use as unmentioned synonyms, and probably shouldn't have differing targets as "gib gnab" and "gnab gib" both come up at seemingly the same frequency? Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Paramount Television International Studios

• Paramount Television International Studios → TIS Productions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per the outcome at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 3#Paramount Television International Studios, where incoming links were the hurdle straight after a page move, I've given it enough time for the actual targets and/or rdr targets to be sorted out. The reason or rationale is the same as its/the original listing. Intrisit (talk) 06:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

German Low German language

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. Withdrawn, works for me. I suppose this is the "German variant" of a language that includes the word German, so it's plausible to type twice in that regard. That also explains the lack of links here. Thanks for the tip! (non-admin closure) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• German Low German language → Low German  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible to use "german" twice when referring to Low German, not a likely search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

German Low German language is the name used at Wiktionary for Low German as spoken in Germany as opposed to the Netherlands. I don't know how to check links to Wikipedia from Wiktionary, but there are probably hundreds if not thousands of such links. —Mahāgaja · talk 06:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

General OneFile

• General OneFile → InfoTrac  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

General OneFile not mentioned or discussed at target; the only mention of onefile is in an external link, and "general" is never used in relation to it. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Gender and authoritarianism

• Gender and authoritarianism → Authoritarianism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Used to target a section, since removed. The article does not talk about gender, and is a WP:XY situation as it stands. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:RFDd10

• Wikipedia:RFDd10 → Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#d10  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's also WP:RDEL number 10. To my understanding though not any of the other points have incoming redirects. This is the only version that points here, and saw no links after a month of creation (as the creator was shortly community blocked thereafter). In any case, probably not necessary to redirectify via anchor; several more efficient and plausible ways exist. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

DZHH-AM

• DZHH-AM → Philippine Air Force  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Chen Mazzig

• Chen Mazzig → Hen Mazzig  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

9 Google hits for this name, none of them seem to be this person. Can't find evidence they're referred to in this way. Rusalkii (talk) 04:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Untitled Guy Ritchie project/film

• Untitled Guy Ritchie project → In the Grey  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Untitled Guy Ritchie film → Guy Ritchie's The Covenant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The targets are no longer untitled. Steel1943 (talk) 03:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Keep, the first project/redirect was moved just a few hours ago and has 63 thousand monthly pageviews. Can delete later but this doesn't fall under the 30 day spirit of WP:UFILM. Maybe not keep the second one at The Covenant page though. I don't really care too much about it because the project was just moved and the film version targeted the project for over a month, before being reverted right before RfDing. Maybe do something about this a little later. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Snow White (live action)

• Snow White (live action) → Snow White (2025 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Can refer to several films listed at {{Snow White}}. There is no expectation this redirect is in reference to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film). Steel1943 (talk) 03:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget Snow White (disambiguation), many different musicals and films at the page were in live action, should not point exclusively here per WP:RECENTISM. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Snow White remake

• Snow White remake → Snow White (2025 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Could refer to most films listed at {{Snow White}}, such as Mirror Mirror (film) and Snow White and the Huntsman. There really is no expectation that this redirect references Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film) since there has been so many film versions of Snow White that are not Disney-related. Steel1943 (talk) 03:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget Snow White (disambiguation), basically everything on that list after the first is a remake by definition. Alternatively, delete due to being vague and unhelpful (deletion is probably my first choice now that I think about it more), Wikipedia is not a search engine to figure out what article people are imagining in their heads by typing "remake" nowadays. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Retarget to Snow White (disambiguation) as plausible search by a reader. I'm also fine with delete due to the malformed "remake" modifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

TDVC

• TDVC → The Da Vinci Code  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not sure why this could also not refer to subject at DVC. But, then again, I'm not sure why there any expectation that the target article or any subjects at DVC should be or have been referred to by this acronym in any sources. Steel1943 (talk) 03:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per no evidence of abbreviation. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

TDOTJ

• TDOTJ → The Day of the Jackal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Though the acronym matches the title of the target page, there does not seem to be evidence that the target page's subject has been referred to by an acronym, possible being WP:OR WP:NEO. Steel1943 (talk) 03:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per no evidence of abbreviation. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

LVER

• LVER → La Vie en rose (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No evidence that any of the subjects in the target disambiguation page are referred by this acronym. In addition, the target being the only mention of a phrase with words starting with L, V, E, then R is rather unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 03:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per no evidence of abbreviation. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

"Getting high" and "Being high"

• Getting high → Recreational drug use  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Being high → Substance intoxication  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Pretty sure these phrase should either target the same target or both get deleted. Not sure which target though. Steel1943 (talk) 03:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Retarget Getting high to Substance intoxication, which mentions the phrase in bold. It's also the more sensible target, in my opinion. Keep Being high. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

GittiGidiyor

• GittiGidiyor → eBay  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Gittigidiyor.com → eBay  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• GittiGidiyor.com → eBay  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Gittigidiyor was salted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Nahdonnis Praji

• Nahdonnis Praji → List of Star Wars characters#Nahdonnis Praji  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete due to lack of notability and lack of mention. TNstingray (talk) 00:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, no mention on all of Wikipedia. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Jerus Jannick

• Jerus Jannick → List of Star Wars characters#Jerus Jannick  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Utterly non-notable character mentioned nowhere. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 00:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, no content on all of Wikipedia, based on the presence of a subst template in the edit summary, seems to have been created via some type of automation? Or at least, didn't swap out in the summary. No such section existed at the time of creation. Is getting pageviews though from a link, since removed (since no content). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Quiggold

• Quiggold → List of Star Wars characters#Quiggold  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Incredibly minor character mentioned nowhere on Wikipedia besides another entry on Matthew Wood's extensive voice credits in Star Wars. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, no content on all of Wikipedia, disincluding casting credits. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Vober Dand

• Vober Dand → List of Star Wars characters#Vober Dand  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Incredibly minor background character not mentioned anywhere on the encyclopedia. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, no content on all of Wikipedia. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)