Bad English

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Bad English
Bad English, clockwise L-to-R: Neal Schon, Deen Castronovo, Ricky Phillips, Jonathan Cain, and John Waite
Bad English, clockwise L-to-R: Neal Schon, Deen Castronovo, Ricky Phillips, Jonathan Cain, and John Waite
Background information
OriginLos Angeles, California, U.S.
Years active1987–1991
Associated acts
Past membersJohn Waite
Neal Schon
Jonathan Cain
Ricky Phillips
Deen Castronovo

Bad English was an American/English glam metal supergroup formed in 1987. It reunited Journey keyboardist Jonathan Cain with singer John Waite and bassist Ricky Phillips, his former bandmates in The Babys, along with Journey guitarist Neal Schon and drummer Deen Castronovo.

The band is mainly known for their hit single "When I See You Smile", which peaked at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 in November 1989.[5]


The members decided on a name for the band while playing pool. John Waite missed a shot and Jonathan Cain made a comment on how bad his "english" was (referring to the spin a player puts on the cue ball) and the band decided to use the phrase.[6]

Jonathan Cain and guitarist Neal Schon, who had both enjoyed enormous success in Journey, formed Bad English with Waite after Journey disbanded.[7] They were joined by Ricky Phillips, who had played bass for The Babys on two albums with Waite and Cain, and drummer Deen Castronovo.

First album[edit]

The eponymously titled debut album was a big seller, and contained three top-40 hit singles: the number one hit "When I See You Smile" written by Diane Warren, the top 10 hit "Price of Love", and "Possession".

The first single "Forget Me Not" stalled outside the top 40, at #45, but the single did well on the Mainstream Rock chart, peaking at #2.

The second single, "When I See You Smile", was what would become their biggest hit, as it peaked at #1 on the Hot 100, the song is also notable for being the only song entirely written by an outside writer without help from at least one member in the band, besides "Don't Walk Away".[8]

"Best of What I Got" was released as a promotional single to Rock Radio, where the tune cracked the top 10.[9]

From March to June of 1990, the band toured across the US with fellow glam metal band Whitesnake in support of the album.[10]

Second album, and breakup[edit]

The band's second album, Backlash (1991), came and went without any fanfare. The only single, "Straight To Your Heart," missed the Top 40, peaking at No. 42. Ricky Phillips writes on his website that the group had parted company before the second album had been mixed. Both Phillips and guitarist Neal Schon expressed frustration with the "pop" side of the band's songs and wanted a harder edge. In the end, it proved to be the band's undoing as everyone left to pursue other projects.

In later interviews, Waite revealed that although he loved playing to stadium-sized audiences, he was uncomfortable with the corporate rock image that he felt the band had presented and has been a solo artist ever since.

Schon and Castronovo went on to join the fledgling rock band Hardline in 1991; however, both would leave the group not long after the release of their debut album, with Schon pursuing other projects and Castronovo joining Ozzy Osbourne's band. In the mid-1990s, Schon rejoined Cain, who had released two solo albums in the interim, in a reformed Journey. Castronovo also joined Journey in 1998, eventually leaving in 2015. He later became a member of the Dead Daisies and Revolution Saints. Meanwhile, Phillips returned to session work, recording with artists such as Coverdale/Page, Bobby Kimball, and Eddie Money, before joining Styx in the early 2000s. John Waite returned to his solo career.

In popular culture[edit]

"Best of What I Got" from the band's first album, is featured during the credits to the 1989 movie Tango & Cash, starring Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell.[11]

Band members[edit]


Studio albums[edit]

Year Album details Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales threshold)
1989 Bad English 21 12 34 39 74
1991 Backlash
  • Release date: August 1991
  • Label: Epic Records
72 34 21 30 64
"—" denotes releases that did not chart

Compilation albums[edit]

Year Album details
1995 Greatest Hits


Year Single Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales threshold)
US Main
1989 "Forget Me Not" 45 2 Bad English
"When I See You Smile" 1 11 10 4 61
"Price of Love" 5 38 30 44 80
"Best of What I Got" 9
1990 "Heaven Is a 4 Letter Word" 66 12 124
"Possession" 21 42
1991 "Straight to Your Heart" 42 9 41 Backlash
"Time Stood Still"
(featuring John Waite)
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or not released to that country

See also[edit]


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