Talk:2019 FIFA Women's World Cup

Tournament Ranking

From the Template used in 2015 FWWC wikipedia entry:

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=2019+women%27s+world+cup+final+rankings&oq=2019+women%27s+world+cup+final+rankings&aqs=chrome..69i57j33l5.11002j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=lg;/m/0j26kc6;2;/m/01kglk;st;fp;1;;

I don't see final rankings in this source.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

When FIFA releases the Technical Report for this tournament, it can be found here: https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/official-documents/development/technical-study-group-reports#fifa-fwwc

"When"...so we will wait until this happens.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Two things:

1. No source should be required, since all the information that drives the Final Table is already on the Wiki page for the event.
2. The 2019 Copa America, which finished on the same day, does have the Final rankings, with no source given. Because it is SPORTS, thus the facts speak for themselves.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Copa_America#Statistics

The results themselves are a matter of fact, but then using the results to obtain an overall ranking for each team is interpretation and original research. There are plenty of other reasonable ways that the teams could potentially be sorted: maybe matches that go to extra time get counted as draws, maybe results against the bottom ranked team in each group are excluded, maybe teams that are level on points or teams eliminated at the same stage are considered to be tied, and so on and so forth. There is no single ranking criteria that is universally used, so we can't just arbitrarily choose whatever ranking scheme we like best and claim that it's objective fact. Without an official word from FIFA, any ranking table of this sort is just some individual's interpretation. Also, just because another article has a similar table doesn't add weight to your argument; it just means that that table probably wants removing as well. Lowercaserho (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no "interpretation" or research needed to derive the Table. Look at the 2015 Women's World Cup Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup#Tournament_ranking
Then look at FIFA's Technical Report from that tournament: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-women-s-world-cup-canada-2015-technical-report-and-statistics-26708-2670891.pdf?cloudid=jaeq2lvmczqjofxccj3u#page=158
You will see that the rankings match exactly.
Since you are chiming in, you must be a soccer/football fan, so you probably already know that competitive matches that go into Penalty Shootouts get counted as draws, thus both teams earn 1 Point each (in the case of Australia/Norway in the Round of 16). Teams that win After Extra Time are awarded the full 3 points. You probably also know there is a detailed tie-breaking procedure that takes into account Total Points, Goal Differential, Goals Scored, as well as Yellow/Red Cards received...
Bottomline: This contribution IS correct and verifiable...I'll continue to monitor FIFA in order to link to the official report when it's released...Thanks!

When..it is released. You don't get it! What you do is original research. FIFA has often published final rankings, but for the 2018 men's world cup, they haven't. When they have, it is in the article, like in the 2015 women's world cup, when they don't we don't either have one in the article. UEFA for example has not published final rankings as well as most of the other continental federations, so there are no final rankings in the articles. But I have no hope you will get it.--Anaxagoras13 (talk)

Already for the U-17 World Cup 2017 FIFA didn't release a Final Ranking and probably not since then for any tournament, it seems they abolished Final Rankings somewhen between 2015 and 2017. It would be a surprise if they do in the Technical Report for the 2019 Women's World Cup.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 11:38, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

For the U-20 WC 2017 they did a Final Ranking, hhmmm.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately they decided not to publish a final ranking in the report. Therefore we may have to wait until the next tournament, when they will likely publish another "Milestones & Superlatives" document prior to the draw (e.g. page 26 of the 2019 document includes a ranking by tournament). Also, including a table currently would be WP:OR unless properly sourced. South Africa and South Korea are both level with a record of 3 losses, 1 goal for and 8 goals against, so it is not exactly clear whether FIFA would consider them tied, or if South Korea would be ranked ahead of South Africa based on the fair play tiebreaker introduced this tournament. S.A. Julio (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Venue name

I noticed that my edit changing the venue name from "Lyon" instead of "Décines-Charpieu" was reverted by S.A. Julio, and I thought it was worth discussing and generating consensus one way or the other. I think the principle behind WP:COMMONNAME applies here. Yes, the stadium was located in a Lyon suburb, but it was designated as the Lyon venue for this tournament, it was referred to as "Lyon" in all FIFA publications and most of the reporting by the media referred to matches happening in Lyon (see NY Times, ESPN, National Geographic, The Times, BBC, The Guardian). As far as I can tell, Washington Post was the only major English paper to use Décines-Charpieu in teh dateline, and Sports Illustrated used Décines-Charpieu in the dateline but Lyon in articles.

I think based on WP:RS and WP:COMMONNAME, I think it makes more sense to use "Lyon" as the venue name, then mention "Décines-Charpieu" in small type, since most outlets reported the matches happening in Lyon. Ytoyoda (talk) 14:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

New Zealand not in finals

Someone has vandalized the knock out bracket. New Zealand didn't make it out of the group phase, let along win the entire cup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krizriktr (talk • contribs) 13:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)