Talk:2020–2022 Malaysian political crisis

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Section size for 2020–2022 Malaysian political crisis (49 sections)
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(Top)	10,530	10,530
Background and key people	13,102	15,272
COVID-19 pandemic	2,170	2,170
2020	9	63,758
February: Sheraton Move, fall of Pakatan Harapan government	67	41,055
21-22 February	4,102	4,102
23 February	6,728	6,728
24 February	7,716	7,716
25 February	4,313	4,313
26 February	2,180	2,180
27 February	1,959	1,959
28 February	5,365	5,365
29 February	8,625	8,625
March: New prime minister, Perikatan Nasional inception, coronavirus pandemic	6,639	6,639
May–July: Parliamentary sittings	11,293	11,293
September–December: Elections in Sabah, Anwar Ibrahim's bid for premiership	4,762	4,762
2021	321	61,639
January: Minority government, emergency declaration	6,794	6,794
February–July: Royal consent for parliament, more crossovers	6,761	6,761
July: Political instability increases	10,694	10,694
August: Fall of Perikatan Nasional government, new prime minister	30,985	30,985
September: Reconvening of parliament, MoU on bipartisan cooperation	3,523	3,523
October–December: Elections in Malacca and Sarawak	2,561	2,561
2022	9	12,479
January–March: Elections in Johor	1,883	1,883
April–July: UMNO leadership crisis	818	818
August–November: Constitutional amendment and general election	9,769	9,769
Impact	11	219,471
Parliament	50,292	50,292
Federal level	2,633	2,633
State level	18	155,437
Selangor	13,830	13,830
Johor	27,976	27,976
Malacca	15,964	15,964
Kedah	11,534	11,534
Perak	16,406	16,406
Penang	6,603	6,603
Sabah	38,270	38,270
Negeri Sembilan	2,371	2,371
Kelantan & Terengganu	3,644	3,644
Perlis	3,075	3,075
Sarawak	15,746	15,746
Political parties	7,811	7,811
Economy	1,365	1,365
COVID-19 pandemic	247	247
Monarchy	1,675	1,675
See also	218	218
Further reading	706	706
References	675	675
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Das, A. Ananthalakshmi, Liz Lee, Krishna N. (2020-03-06). "Malaysian machinations: How Southeast Asia's veteran leader lost the plot". Reuters. Retrieved 2021-09-16.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
"A timeline of events leading to Malaysian PM's resignation". AP NEWS. 2021-08-16. Retrieved 2021-09-14.
"Analysis | How the Pandemic Is Keeping Malaysia's Politics Messy". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2021-09-14.
Victor, Daniel (2021-08-16). "Malaysia's prime minister resigns over anger about his handling of the virus". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2021-09-14.

Timeline[edit]

I think the main crisis is sort of over now, after the appointment of Muhyiddin. And the earliest the opposition can call for a motion of no confidence, if there is any, will be in May, since the speaker just announce the date. I think we are in the aftermath now. Should I/we change the date in infobox and update the lead to indicate the crisis had ended? What do you all think? Lulusword (talk) 03:25, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree that the crisis is over. Parliament should have sat on 9 March [1]. Stalling tactics by PN will merely defer a vote of no confidence in the new government until parliament sits. The crisis will only be over when all challenges to the new government have been resolved, one way or another. WWGB (talk) 04:49, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to put a source just now but here is the speaker's announcement saying that it was postponed to 18 May [2] though I am not sure if that can be challenge (or not). Lulusword (talk) 06:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted edits[edit]

Hello @El C: Can you kindly explain why do you revert the edits done for chronology? Dates don't really display the true chronology of an event and only clutter the page with unnecessary days. Notable event names are much clearer and concise than just dates which are only confusing to readers. As an alternative using months are better than individual dates. Thank you. 183.171.128.226 (talk) 05:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IP, I think the edits are in the right direction, but some the sections are so oversized so as to be unwieldy. If you are able to get some more section or subsection breaks, then I remove my objection. I was actually going to write a talk page note explaining this, but got distracted elsewhere and just plain forgot — sorry about that! El_C 11:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020-2021?[edit]

Title change. If it's still ongoing, then it probably would be appropriate. Juxlos (talk) 14:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

Should we move the page from 2020 Malaysian political crisis to 2020–21 Malaysian political crisis? Thegreatrebellion (talk) 01:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should in my opinion. The political crisis has extended to 2021. Fab1442006 (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting of parliament table[edit]

It would be nice if the parliament table had a sort key added to make it sort on the party column into Government (listed alphabetically) and then Opposition (listed alphabetically). This would make it a bit clearer. Alternatively an extra column for each "parliament as of date" with G/O (Government/Opposition) would work as well Alex Sims (talk) 02:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverted edits[edit]

Hello, @Arcahaeoindris:

Regarding the revision on 28th April 2022, some of the sources used have certain political ideologies. We do not know the true intentions, whether the resignation by Dr Mahathir Mohamad is to prevent Anwar Ibrahim from succeeding him as Prime Minister or not, as it is a matter of opinion. What is factual is that he had lost the majority in Parliament, which automatically terminates his position as Prime Minister, as in accordance to the Law.

Hello @Alphapast: thank you for taking this to the talk page, and also welcome to Wikipedia! I see you are new, so please feel free to ask questions at WP:TEAHOUSE or on my talk page, and definitely try and familiarise yourself with the WP:Five pillars.

As for this edit, your suggestion for changing the wording does not align with what is in the source from Reuters. It's important to know that Wikpedia has a policy of no original research, meaning that we must follow what is in reliable sources rather than put in our own opinions, whether or not we agree with them. Reuters is considered a reliable source on here, and this is one of the best sources available for an overview of this topic. Mahathir's resignation is also covered further down in the lead, and he did not lose the majority in parliament until BERSATU withdrew from Pakatan, so it does not make sense to mention his resignation before the withdrawal.

Welcome further thoughts.Arcahaeoindris (talk) 08:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Salutations @Arcahaeoindris

Thank you for your prompt reply. It is understandable that Wikipedia must not contain materials that is not reliable or taken from an unpublished source. However, there are in fact multiple reliable sources that that has different interpretations of the Sheraton Move and its chronology that are directly related to the topic of the article. One notable source is an article from Malay Mail published on 2nd March 2022 by Justin Ong, which thoroughly states the opposite from what is in the source from Reuters. Considering the contents of the article are taken directly from a former officer in the Prime Minister's Office, it would be an oversight not to take the contents of the article into account as well. Perhaps, with these two major differences of interpretations from two different reliable sources about the event, the page should mention the conflicting interpretations and highlight the inconsistency of receiving exact true facts regarding the topic of the article. Alphapast (talk) 06:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Alphapast:. All of this makes sense. However, in order to implement this you need to actually provide the source you are talking about in text, so each statement is supported by an inline citation. Also, Reuters is a highly reliable source that is respected for its minimal editorial voice (see in WP:RSP so we would expect to give it more WP:WEIGHT than others. What I have described is directly supported by the Reuters report. I am sure we can be sure to come to a consensus on the wording. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this page with latest updates[edit]

Hello, I'm aware that there are more events happening from july til now. Please make sure this page is updated. Thanks 115.133.33.215 (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edmund Santhara[edit]

Some of you should also be aware that Edmund Santhara is an independent MP instead of Bersatu sinxe he already left the party around July. 115.133.35.145 (talk) 03:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]