Talk:2022 French presidential election

Note to self

• http://www.lejdd.fr/politique/comment-comprendre-les-sondages-qui-mesurent-la-popularite-de-macron-3497927

Mélencron (talk) 01:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Moving Political barometers to a separate page

Surely the Political barometers section should be moved to a page?
I am thinking of doing this, however I think it would be important to not only discuss the move but also discuss the title of the page. JDuggan101 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I think they should probably just be removed entirely as they don't constitute election polling – there's analogous pages for the UK as well as U.S. presidents, but I don't think they exist for any non-Anglophone countries. (The Japanese polling article's numbers aren't voting intention numbers either, but the situation's stranger since they still refer to the parties themselves...) Something like this might be interesting, though there's a lot of issue polling to go back and compile if that's the case. Mélencron (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

So if the political barometers are moved should it be called Opinion polling on the Emmanuel Macron administration?

"Presidency", but yeah. Preferably it'd also include other topics as well (SNCF reform, law on the moralisation of political life, anti-terrorism law, reform of the bac, 80 km/h speed limits, etc.). It could just be the political barometers first and I could work on adding the rest over time. Mélencron (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in the Philippines

Based on the recent precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in the Philippines, and that apparently consensus has in fact changed, this article could be deleted. I can't begin to state how categorically I disagree with this change in consensus, but it is what it is. Bearian (talk) 01:17, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Does not seem to have anything to do. WP:TOOSOON applies when a topic may merit an article in the future but there is not enough information yet on the topic in reliable sources. Clearly not the case here. WP:CRYSTALBALL (and WP:NCELECT) does in fact allow these articles to be created and kept, and I don't think there is such a consensus in that AfD (which does not directly relate to an election article, but a generic article about 2022 in the Philippines) to overturn currently-established practice and widespread consensus on elections in Wikipedia. Impru20^talk 09:10, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Macron wording oddities

Shouldn't Emmanuel Macron be mentioned as a declared candidate -- or if he's technically not somehow, for this to be glossed explicitly? This slightly strange structure is rather exacerbated by the statement that the winner will "replace" the incumbent. (If a winning incumbent formally replaces themself, could still be worded better, I think.) 109.255.211.6 (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements

@Le Lis et le Lion and Syaz351:@Elli, Quinnnnnby, Dreamer2329, and Cewbot: Do you think, should we create an endorsement article like for Czechia, the US or Italy Braganza (talk) 17:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hypernormal1, Mupper-san, and AceBi-Ly: Braganza (talk) 19:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jazerty268, Helper201, Cheep, and TrufForEveryone: Please, anyone answer Braganza (talk) 15:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes if there are any. --Vacant0 (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

We already have these parties which took/take part in the primaries and Poisson is going to endorse Zemmour Braganza (talk) 16:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Why is the primary of the irrelevant Greens mentioned before the more significant Republicans?

Left-wing framing of the article? 62.226.93.28 (talk) 00:41, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Evidently in the chronological order..... JBchrch talk 00:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

IP vandalism

As many of you may have noticed, an IP address has been messing with the list of candidates in this article. It appears that many of the edits have been to replace left-wing candidates with various politicians who are not actually running. Looking at the IP's edit history, they have also vandalized a few articles for French politicians. At any rate, does anyone know how to protect this article so that only confirmed users can edit? I would do so myself, but I'm not sure how or if I have the authority. Jacoby531 (talk) 23:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Pages can only be protected by administrators. If you want to request page protection for this article, you can do so at WP:RPP. —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 23:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I have requested protection. Jacoby531 (talk) 01:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Candidates

in the candidates list when you click to sort by the declaration time it puts them in alphabetical order rather than chronological order, can someone fix that? LICA98 (talk) 21:37, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Should we add Fabian onto the major candidates

Seeing as Fabian is polling basically the same as Yannick Jadot, I feel it would be appropriate to add him on the front page as one of the major candidates. SpiderShakespeare (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Placement of candidates

Many major polls [1] have Melenchon, Pecresse, and Zemmour tied, so why are they positioned like they are? Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 14:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Melenchon is ahead of Zemmour. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 14:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Television debates?

there is no mention on the page of the televised debates. I understand one or two have already taken place but they are not described here. Can somebody please tell me when they are? I understand Macron refuses to participate but that's no excuse. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is a French Source: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lys%C3%A9e_2022 Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 13:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

More sources https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lection_pr%C3%A9sidentielle_fran%C3%A7aise_de_2022#D%C3%A9bats_et_entretiens_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vis%C3%A9s https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lection_pr%C3%A9sidentielle_fran%C3%A7aise_de_2022#D%C3%A9bats_et_entretiens_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vis%C3%A9s_2 https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/l-instant-m/l-instant-m-du-mardi-19-avril-2022 https://www.mtv.com.lb/en/News/International/1274414/l-a-salam--and-gilles-bouleau-will-host-the-debate-between-the-two-rounds https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61166601 https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220420-live-macron-and-le-pen-face-off-in-debate-ahead-of-french-presidential-run-off https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220420-live-macron-and-le-pen-face-off-in-debate-ahead-of-french-presidential-run-off https://www.politico.eu/article/french-election-debate-live-blog-2/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/macron-and-le-pen-go-head-to-head-in-french-presidential-debate https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/macron-le-pen-debate-key-moments-in-the-french-election-head-to-head

Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm too lazy to add this, so please do that

All of the results of the election may be seen here for the whole of France and here for each department. You're welcome. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 21:00, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

The Map

Hello. There's a note in the edit history that the version changes should be discussed on the talk page. I made the version that's currently there, but another user (Julio974fr) made and uploaded a new version and replaced the one I made with his. It's understandable, he has made all the previous election maps. I'm fine if you guys go with his version. I made my version without really consulting anyone about it, I just thought it was cool. I'm fine with whatever is most convenient. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talleyrand6 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

this got sorted out Talleyrand6 (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Changing the results to a sortable table?

Is it possible to change the results by department and region to a sortable table as seen in the US Presidential election results? As it has features such as grouping between which candidate has received the highest in a particular department and overall. It seems better organized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Predenov (talk • contribs) 20:07, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Vote share map by Commune

Call me a mad lad all you want, I'm going to make a vote share map...by commune. No clue if this has ever been done before. Will take a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talleyrand6 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Please do. Very interesting insight, though from what I know the SVG file will have a diabolical size (assuming you are converting shapefiles to SVG) Szmenderowiecki (talk) 06:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to break it down by department, it's the only sensible way to do it. Talleyrand6 (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I think you should try regions, too. Departments rarely have a distinct shape, while regions are sufficiently large to be recognisable and not as large to be jamming your browsers/QGIS/whatever; besides, it's not unlike American politics: an overview of state vote distribution is interesting, but an overview of county voting patterns is already too much detail. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

What I meant is that I'm going to work department to department, the final maps will be presented by region. I made one yesterday of the Petite Couronne as a test. Talleyrand6 (talk) 18:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

That was a good one, keep going. I may assist if you need it, but I don't really know any automated method of extracting data by communes, because otherwise it will take hours. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

The scale of the charts are atrociously biased

Look at the scale used for the chart of Macron and Le Pen, it is quite a biased representation, it visually gives an extra edge for Macron. It gives the impression Le Pen is under 45% and Macron is Above 55%. The scale should be on every 10s per cent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.108.247.132 (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

There are numerous charts on the page, and it's not obvious what you are talking about. Please elaborate. Mathglot (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Department-by-department results are wrong and need correction.

The Department-by-department results are incorrect. The amount of votes each candidate got and the percentage of votes they received does not match official French government results (https://www.resultats-elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2022/index.html). Macron, for example, is shown to have received more than 2000 votes than he actually did, and most of the percentages in rows do not add up to 100%. I have corrected the first 2 departments, Ain and Aisne, in accordance with French government data, but the remaining departments must be corrected. Be on the lookout if Region-by-Region data is incorrect as well. Gaius Publius Scipio (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Party names

Why is the LREM generally referred to hear as La Republique en Marche (aka its official French name), while the RN is referred to as the National Rally as opposed to Rassemblement National? Shouldn't both parties be referred to in the same language? Storm0005 (talk) 08:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@Storm0005: quick answer: No. I can tell you what *should* be the case; whether it is, or not, is another question. It all comes down to how the parties are referred to in the majority of English language publications. For example: Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front has long been referred to by the large majority of English language press in English. Ditto, the French Communist Party, the Socialist Party, the National Rally (current name of the "National Front"), and so on. Other parties are referred to by the English press most of the time using the French names. Why they do that isn't really important for us as Wikipedia editors, our role is to figure out what the majority position of English sources is, and follow it. Sometimes, figuring out what the majority is, isn't that easy, and you might have to have a discussion or an Rfc about it.

As a guess, sometimes the press may refer to a new party by its French name, placing the English translation in double quotes, while they wait around for a consensus to develop among other reliable press sources. Sometimes, there is doubt which is best: a literal translation, or a free translation that better represents the intention of the party name. In my opinion, this is going on now, with Jean-Luc Mélenchon's party La France Insoumise, which you sometimes see in its literal translation, "France Unsubmissive"; but that sounds cringeworthy in English, so more often, you see it rendered as France Unbowed, which in my opinion much better renders the true intent of the French, although it very plainly is not what the French words mean in a dictionary sense. Another example is Eric Zemmour's Reconquête, which you sometimes see as "Reconquest" in English, but mostly it is kept in the original French. In a way, this is like the way historians write in English about the Reconquista in the Iberian peninsula using the Spanish word, rather than an English one. This is just a small part of the issue of translating party names, but the bottom line is, we follow whatever the reliable sources do, even if their choice seems odd, "wrong", or whatever; we don't try to pick the "more logical" or "best" translation, that is not our role as Wikipedia editors. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

This is really o/t now, but I was mulling over "La France Insoumise", and what it "really means". As a Gedankenexperiment, I was wondering how I would render it as a free, cross-cultural translation rather than a linguistic translation, if I were "translating" it into the milieu of American cultural politics. What I came up with is, "France—Loud and Proud!". This doesn't match the original French wording at all, of course, but imho, it really does match the "feeling" of the original, if it were somehow an American party in some parallel universe. This is something that is very hard to explain, but it's part of the mystery and magic of rendering things from one culture and language to another. Traduttore, traditore, as they say. Mathglot (talk) 03:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

58.2%/41.8% or 55.72%/44.28%

What is the source for Macron and Le Pen getting 55 and 44 percent of the vote, respectively? The only indication on how the vote went are the exit polls, which are much different (58 vs 41), both of the figures are present in the article Rousillon (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rousillon: The 56/44 numbers come from the official results at the time that infobox was updated (21:00 UTC). As the results are still coming in, they do not match up with the polling yet; hopefully, when everything is complete it should be pretty close to the exit poll projections. eviolite (talk) 21:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Electorate/Voter Demographics

Just wondering this page should have a Electorate/Voter Demographics section just like the 2017 French presidential election. Can sombody make a 2022 section for this. Thanks.La lopi (talk) 05:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't speak French, but I think this is the equivalent PDF for the 2022 election's first round, if anyone wants to make the table: [2] —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 06:03, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Sociology of the electorate
Demographic		Arthaud/ Poutou		Mélenchon	Hamon	Macron	Fillon	Dupont-Aignan	Le Pen	Others			Turnout
Total vote		1.7%		19.6%	6.4%	24.0%	20.0%	4.7%	21.3%	2.3%			77.8%
First-round vote in 2012
	Jean-Luc Mélenchon	1%		80%	5%	10%	0%	1%	3%	0%			80%
	François Hollande	1%		24%	15%	47%	3%	3%	6%	1%			83%
	François Bayrou	2%		10%	5%	43%	22%	9%	3%	6%			82%
	Nicolas Sarkozy	0%		3%	1%	17%	59%	4%	14%	2%			87%
	Marine Le Pen	0%		3%	0%	2%	6%	3%	85%	1%			86%
Political party
	EXG	7%		62%	2%	7%	8%	0%	14%	0%			84%
	FG	3%		84%	5%	3%	3%	1%	0%	1%			83%
	EELV	5%		38%	22%	19%	2%	7%	4%	3%			66%
	PS	2%		23%	27%	42%	2%	1%	2%	1%			83%
	EM	0%		5%	1%	91%	1%	1%	1%	0%			88%
	MoDem	1%		11%	3%	46%	24%	12%	0%	3%			84%
	UDI	0%		0%	2%	36%	50%	9%	2%	1%			81%
	LR	0%		2%	0%	9%	77%	4%	7%	1%			89%
	FN	1%		2%	1%	2%	4%	2%	87%	1%			85%
	None	4%		23%	3%	19%	10%	12%	21%	8%			57%
Self-described political position
Very left-wing		7%		72%	8%	3%	1%	0%	9%	0%			81%
Left-wing		2%		53%	20%	23%	1%	1%	0%	0%			88%
Rather left-wing		1%		30%	15%	47%	2%	1%	3%	1%			78%
Centre		0%		8%	2%	60%	15%	7%	5%	3%			81%
Rather right-wing		0%		2%	1%	23%	48%	9%	14%	3%			82%
Right-wing		0%		1%	0%	5%	66%	4%	24%	0%			91%
Very right-wing		1%		1%	0%	1%	12%	3%	80%	2%			91%
Neither left nor right		4%		16%	3%	17%	8%	9%	37%	6%			60%
Left subtotal		2%		44%	16%	32%	2%	1%	2%	1%			83%
Right and centre subtotal		0%		1%	1%	10%	47%	5%	34%	2%			88%
Sex
Men		2%		21%	4%	23%	18%	5%	24%	3%			78%
Women		2%		17%	8%	25%	21%	5%	20%	2%			77%
Age
18–24 years old		3%		30%	10%	18%	9%	6%	21%	3%			71%
25–34 years old		1%		24%	8%	28%	8%	3%	24%	4%			72%
35–49 years old		2%		22%	7%	21%	11%	6%	29%	2%			74%
50–59 years old		3%		21%	6%	21%	13%	6%	27%	3%			76%
60–69 years old		1%		15%	5%	26%	27%	5%	19%	2%			84%
70 or older		0%		9%	3%	27%	45%	4%	10%	2%			88%
Socio-occupational classification
Manager/professional		0%		19%	8%	33%	20%	4%	14%	2%			79%
Intermediate occupation		2%		22%	9%	26%	13%	6%	19%	3%			78%
White-collar worker		4%		22%	6%	19%	8%	7%	32%	2%			71%
Blue-collar worker		4%		24%	5%	16%	5%	5%	37%	4%			71%
Retired		1%		12%	4%	26%	36%	5%	14%	2%			87%
Employment status
Employee		3%		21%	7%	24%	11%	5%	26%	3%			74%
Private employee		2%		20%	6%	25%	12%	6%	26%	3%			73%
Public employee		3%		23%	7%	23%	9%	5%	27%	3%			75%
Self-employed		0%		24%	8%	24%	16%	5%	21%	2%			76%
Unemployed		3%		31%	7%	14%	8%	6%	26%	5%			73%
Education
Less than baccalauréat		2%		17%	4%	19%	19%	6%	30%	3%			75%
Baccalauréat		3%		21%	6%	24%	15%	5%	24%	2%			76%
Bac +2		1%		22%	6%	26%	22%	5%	15%	3%			80%
At least bac +3		1%		20%	10%	30%	24%	4%	9%	2%			81%
Monthly household income
Less than €1,250		3%		25%	7%	14%	12%	5%	32%	2%			70%
€1,250 to €2,000		3%		23%	6%	18%	15%	3%	29%	3%			76%
€2,000 to €3,000		2%		18%	7%	25%	17%	7%	20%	4%			80%
More than €3,000		1%		16%	5%	32%	25%	5%	15%	1%			84%
Moment of choice of vote
Several months ago		1%		16%	5%	20%	24%	2%	31%	1%			100%
A few weeks ago		2%		27%	7%	31%	15%	6%	10%	2%			100%
In the last few days		3%		21%	7%	29%	11%	14%	10%	5%			100%
At the last moment		5%		21%	9%	23%	17%	8%	11%	6%			100%
Agglomeration
Rural		3%		18%	5%	21%	19%	7%	23%	4%			80%
Fewer than 20,000 inhabitants		2%		20%	5%	23%	17%	5%	25%	3%			76%
20,000 to 100,000 inhabitants		1%		21%	7%	26%	18%	2%	24%	1%			73%
More than 100,000 inhabitants		1%		20%	7%	24%	21%	4%	21%	2%			78%
Paris agglomeration		1%		19%	6%	29%	25%	5%	14%	1%			76%
Religion
Catholic		2%		13%	4%	23%	28%	6%	22%	2%			80%
Regular practitioner		1%		8%	3%	20%	51%	5%	11%	1%			87%
Occasional practitioner		2%		13%	4%	23%	27%	6%	22%	3%			80%
Non-practitioner		2%		17%	6%	22%	16%	4%	29%	4%			77%
Others		2%		23%	9%	23%	21%	4%	15%	3%			72%
None		2%		28%	9%	25%	7%	4%	23%	2%			74%
Demographic													Turnout
		Arthaud/ Poutou		Mélenchon	Hamon	Macron	Fillon	Dupont-Aignan	Le Pen	Others
Sociology of the electorate
Source: Ipsos France

References

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Mistake on the map

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