Talk:A World to Believe In

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The title of the Japanese single IS あなたがいる限り～A WORLD TO BELIEVE IN～ (Anata ga Iru Kagiri ~A WORLD TO BELIEVE IN~), not Anata ga Iru Kagiri or just A World to Believe In.

Also technically, the artist of the single is credited as 伊藤由奈×セリーヌ・ディオン (Yuna Ito x Celine Dion), not Celine Dion feat. Yuna Ito. It's being credited as Yuna Ito's 10th single, not as a special, separate one.

It's also being released on by Sony Japan, because the catalog number of the single is SRCL-6696. Notice of release on Yuna Ito's official website Skawt 13:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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Move to "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In". Even though the song was originally sung in English under the articles name, it was released as a single in Japan using the title "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In" and not "A World to Believe In". If it was released or charted anywhere else under the title "A World to Believe", then I would say leave it be but it wasn't. "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In" is the official name for the single, both artists website even prove the fact. From Sony Japan both of the artists label^~Moon~月と日の出 ^~Sunrise~ 06:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The official name of the song is unimportant. In view of the English name of the English release, it's far more likely that "A World to Believe In" is the correct name in terms of Wikipedia:naming conventions. Andrewa (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But the song wasn't released as a single or charted using the English name. It was released and charted using the Japanese name. ^~Moon~月と日の出 ^~Sunrise~ 18:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The link provided in the nomination does not read "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In" as far as I can see. It gives a Japanese name followed by the English name. See the cover of the single for confirmation. — AjaxSmack 18:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it does say "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In". The Japanese title (あなたがいる限り) romanized is Anata ga Iru Kagiri. Per WP:MOS-JAPAN the title has to use colons instead of tildes. And the cover does say あなたがいる限り (Anata ga Iru Kagiri) on the bottom. ^~Moon~月と日の出 ^~Sunrise~ 18:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is a need to use romanization per, WP:MOS-JAPAN. The whole title is あなたがいる限り ~A World to Believe In~ but if you read this then the title is suppose to be "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In". ^~Moon~月と日の出 ^~Sunrise~ 20:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The website and the cover say "あなたがいる限り", not "Anata ga Iru Kagiri"; there is a difference. First, there is no need to use a romanization that does not appear on the cover when there is a common, English equivalent in plain sight. Second, it is debatable whether the title is "あなたがいる限り" and "A World to Believe In". I would argue that the title is "あなたがいる限り" or "A World to Believe In", depending on one's language of reference. (This is common in East Asian media in languages not using the Latin alphabet). — AjaxSmack 20:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is a need to use romanization per, WP:MOS-JAPAN. The whole title is あなたがいる限り ~A World to Believe In~ but if you read this then the title is suppose to be "Anata ga Iru Kagiri: A World to Believe In". ^~Moon~月と日の出 ^~Sunrise~ 20:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines you cite do not apply in this case. Wikipedia:MOS-JAPAN#Romanization tells how to romanize, not when. Wikipedia:MOS-JAPAN#Titles of books and other media deals with idiosyncratic typography. Look at WP:WikiProject Albums#Naming for examples of Wikipedia guidelines applied. BTW and interestingly, the Japanese Wikipedia article on this song (ja:ア・ワールド・トゥ・ビリーヴ・イン) uses only a Katakana version of the English name and not the Japanese name. Based on that, the title should be "A wārudo tu biriivu in." The "full name" you cite is only used for the rerecording of the song, not the original. — AjaxSmack 22:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comments: I'm closing this discussion because there has been no discussion in over six days, with a result of "no consensus". This is a non-admin closure; I do not believe that this fact should change anything, but believe it is worth mentioning in case there is any question... if you think that I closed this wrongly, please feel free to post something at WP:AN to request the input of an uninvolved administrator, and please leave a note on my talk page so that I am aware of the situation. Thanks! –Drilnoth (T • C) 14:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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