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Location of battle

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This article uses the term British Isles (e.g. "and air engagement of World War I in waters off the British Isles.") which as well as being controversial (see British Isles naming dispute) is in this case a bit vague and not what the references say. Using "off the British Isles" could mean a large number of locations including The Irish Sea, The Celtic Sea, The Atlantic Ocean, The English Channel... The reference say "in the North Sea", can I suggest that it is changed. Bjmullan (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds sensible Nick-D (talk) 09:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it sounds sensible, and on this occasion it is. However, the motives for wanting the change are nothing to do with accuracy or corectness; they are POV-pushing, pure and simple. Bjmullan doesn't like the term British Isles and from time-to-time he picks out articles where he thinks it's possible to remove it (he displays similar POV pushing on the Derry/Londonderry argument and the Ireland/Republic of Ireland argument). Just for the record, "British Isles" is not controversial, apart from in the minds of editors such as Bjmullan. The article about the so-called controversy is Wikipedia at its worst; where the encyclopedia has, despite the so-called NPOV pillar, been hijacked by POV-pushers. It's pretty much a hoax article. LemonMonday Talk 17:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That may or may not be the case, but it it's the way to go here. As an admin, I'd suggest that you use the dispute resolution processes rather than carry this dispute across the talk pages of various articles. Nick-D (talk) 22:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you direct your remark to Bjmullan who actually is carrying the dispute across the encyclopedia. LemonMonday Talk 22:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually referring to both of you. Nick-D (talk) 22:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK. LemonMonday Talk 23:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is simply hounding by a British Isles SPA POV pusher. He recently took out an ANI on me which got no response. I think it's time for him to stop. Bjmullan (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's time for both of you to stop. Don't add (or recommend adding) British Isles where it aint & don't remove (or recommend removing) British Isles where it is, period. GoodDay (talk) 14:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've just changed the location to 'North Sea'. I'd suggest that you both make use of the dispute resolution options explained at WP:DR rather than call one another names. Nick-D (talk) 02:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's a reasonable change, but probably unnecessary since the more precise location is given later in the text. I note there was no objection to the phrase Sydney was serving in British waters when on May 4, 1917 ... . As for dispute resolution, it doesn't work. This campaign against British Isles has been going on for years and the community has steadfastly failed to do anything concrete about it. LemonMonday Talk 14:34, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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