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RfC - Proposing a new content for "Adobe Systems"[edit]

Proposal : I have just completed a draft of a new article titled "Adobe Systems Incorporated". The current article "Adobe Systems" has been published since September 27, 2001‎ and edited numerous times over the years. However, its current content shows that several sections are outdated, ill-structured and incomplete. Instead of engaging in a large scale updating of the current live article "Adobe Systems", I have opted for writing an entirely new article. Please give your opinion on whether or not you support this idea. The new draft is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bostonscribe/sandbox

Standard RfC Disclaimer - This RfC should not be construed as a vote rather than an attempt to measure consensus. As always let's keep the conversation civil. Thank you in advance for your feedback, comments and suggestions. Bostonscribe (talk) 15:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

The article looks great and I see you've worked for over a month and 1/2 on this effort. How much time would you estimate you've put into the revision? My only suggestions would be: 1). the sub-section title under "Key dates" are pretty long and 2). I like images on the right and left side of the article.Whoisjohngalt (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

  • I have a problem with the sandbox owner, Bostonscribe, being a paid editor working for Adobe. I cant speak to the sockpuppet investigation, but its ongoing, and this sandbox page is proposed for deletion. that makes it hard to know if its worth even reading in detail. I hope that this gets resolved. if the sandbox article is kept, then i will check it out. good luck, assuming theres no bad faith editing actually happening.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Creative Cloud controversy[edit]

I wanted to clarify the point about internet need: annual Creative Cloud members can use the apps for up to 99 days in offline mode. Month-to-month members can use the apps for up to 30 days in offline mode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.150.10.200 (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I added two dubious tags:

  • Saying users will lose access to their work saved in proprietary file formats seems misleading. Only some formats are proprietary, others are not. For instance, Photoshop PSD files are readable by older versions of Adobe Photoshop (including "perpetually licensed" versions), and 3rd party software. Other file formats, like Adobe InDesign files, won't be readable by older software versions. To the extent that the wording is actually correct, it feels inartfully drafted.
  • Creative Cloud validates licensing every 30 days. Calling that "frequently" seems misleading. For some people, "frequently" is minutes or hours.

Also:

  • I'm not sure there is good justification for the claim that a high-speed internet connection is required. It's required to download the software once (though I understand there are workarounds). But not thereafter.

Discuss. jhawkinson (talk) 03:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Good points, they have now been addressed / corrected in the text. As for the "high-speed internet", you have to be able to download gigabytes of data (I have not heard of official workarounds, there are no DVDs as far as I know), and not just once but also periodically download large updates. The usage of the 20GB storage space also requires a high-speed connection. A slow connection would be sufficient to validate licensing, so I added "ideally a high-speed Internet connection". Stuckgreenpixel (talk) 18:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not quite satisfied... The section on proprietary formats makes it sound like all work might be saved in proprietary formats, and that this is somehow new with the Creative Cloud. Both are false. And of course, it's sort of obvious that you'll lose access to Adobe's software if you have a subscription and stop paying for it. I don't think that section is wrong, but it still feels to me...misleading and inartfully drafted.
On high-speed Internet, well, "must ideally have" makes it seem like day to day usage of the product will suffer without one. I don't think that's the case. Whether there will be workarounds, official or unofficial, is hardly something we'll know well at this stage, given that the "CC" versions of Adobe's software haven't been released yet. Updates don't seem a compelling case since the update strategy hasn't changed from CS6, or even from CS3. As many as three major revisions ago, if not more, the only way to get updates was to download them; there were never DVDs available with patchrelease/security fix updates to CS3, CS4, CS5, CS5.5, or CS6. If the goal here is to compare the CC subscriptions to the CS6 "perpetual" licenses, the differences should be more clear. jhawkinson (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. Should be improved now. Stuckgreenpixel (talk) 23:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Should "Creative Cloud controversy" be a separate article? Stuckgreenpixel (talk) 23:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Not if it continues to be an biased rant as currently presented. This section, which covers a year total of history, is a third of the weight of an article about a company that's been around for nearly thirty years. There should be an article on Adobe Creative Cloud, and it should be balanced in tone. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 19:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
In light of the neutrality concerns, I would like to retarget the Adobe Creative Cloud redirect to Adobe Creative Suite#Move to Creative Cloud subscription-only service. Any objections? Should the redirect use {{r with possibilities}}? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 17:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I support this move. It seems inappropriate for the name of the service to link directly to the controversy section. As for the controversy, I don't think it warrants a separate article... it's either product controversy that should go in a section of Adobe Creative Suite, or company controversy that should stay here. Proxyma (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Interesting point about it being a bit of a Rant. I came across this article while looking up some history and as a CC user was a little surprised by the amount written about reaction to the move to a cloud based system. Personally, I hadn't come across these worries before, and I doubt I am the only one who has just used the system without worry. So, the criticism, though it should be covered (and may well be justified), probably needs to be balanced against the unknown amount of users who do NOT have a problem with CC or who like cloud based subscription models. Joss (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I started an article about Adobe Creative Cloud. Some of the "Creative Cloud controversy" section should probably be straightened-up and moved there. Väsk (talk) 18:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

"Employee relations"[edit]

Whatever it is, it is not "employee relations". Even if it is important to Adobe, which I doubt, an appropriate section heading should be given. I've corrected the section heading and tagged the section. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Giant section on criticism of CC[edit]

Why is this giant piece here and almost nothing in the CC article? I think most of it should be merged/moved to the sub-article leaving only a summary of 3-4 paragraphs in the company page. JMP EAX (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Front-and-back arguments[edit]

WTH are they? Does anyone have any idea? Is this supposed to have the meaning, "back-and-forth arguments"? It certainly has no meaning to me. -- MarkBrooks (talk) 19:57, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I concur. It looks like Engrish to me. --Coolcaesar (talk) 10:59, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Product/Solution List[edit]

A current list of Solutions/Products can be found on page three of [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:57:FD04:CF00:E80A:128F:6D4F:432B (talk) 21:38, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Anti-competitive practices[edit]

I've added a new section on Adobe's anti-competitive practices that have been occurring since 1994. Due to lack of attention Adobe has been able to covertly kill its only competitors. The users of such programs are ignored. Do not attempt to vandalize or delete the section outright. If anyone has any issue on the subject. Add your comments here. Wonderfl (reply) 07:14, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary "See Also" in the Customer Data Breach Section[edit]

There is a link that refers back to the criticism section of the same page at the bottom of this section. Is that really necessary? --ShaunGillies (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Request for Change/Update - Adobe Documents Cloud (DC) / Create a list of all adobe products?[edit]

I can't seem to find information regarding the documents cloud suite, which is entirely separate and different from the adobe creative cloud suite. It would be good to add - and have a reference at the bottom, if not its own page. I'd also suggest creating a separate page just to host a comprehensive list of adobe products, with one column indicating whether or not the product is current or discontinued. Hopefully this would be in a searchable table. Kitty4777 (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)