Talk:Ahmad Ullah Maizbhandari

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Citations

I have removed citations [5], [8] and [10] from the following text, on the grounds that as far as I can see they do not support the statement they were cited for. The text had been moved from Tarika-e-Maizbhandari.

Ahmad Ullah founded the Tarika-e-Maizbhandari or the Maizbhandari Sufi order, a Sufi Tariqa (religious order) based in Chittagong District.[3] [4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

[5] "Syed Mainuddin Ahmad's birth anniversary observed". New Age. Retrieved 2020-05-04.
[8] Barua, Dwaipayan (11 April 2012), "The Daily Star honours 19 living legends", The Daily Star (Bangladesh), retrieved 4 May 2020
[10] Siddiqi, Bulbul (2017-11-28). Becoming 'Good Muslim': The Tablighi Jamaat in the UK and Bangladesh. Springer. ISBN 978-981-10-7236-9.

-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who founded the Maizbhandari Sufi order

According to this article, Syed Ahmad Ullah, founded the Maizbhandari Sufi order. There is another article, Syed Gulamur Rahman Maizbhandari that claims that he was the one who founded the Maizbhandari Sufi order.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Toddy1, the latter article states:

After Kebla Kaba, BAba Bhandari became the chief patron of Maizbhandari Sufism.

It may mean that he became the head of the Maizbhandari tariqa after Kebla Kaba, and Kebla Kaba may possibly be used for Syed Ahmad Ullah, if I'm right. GorgeCustersSabre may address this confusion. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 13:54, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that’s right, Aaqib Anjum Aafī. Kebla Kaba is a phrase, not a name. The phrase is a reverential way of honouring a Sufi master. He becomes the “direction of the Kaaba” (the Qibla of the Kaaba). For example, the followers of Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri also call him Kibla or Kibla Kaaba. In the case above, the phrase refers to Syed Ahmad Ullah. I hope this helps. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In the background section, it says "Gausul Azam Syed Baba Bhandriii kranched Rahman Maizbhandari founded Maizbhandari Sufi order. He is also known and here after will be refereed as Baba Bhandari. Baba Bhandari was born in Maizbhandar village during the down of Monday, 14 October 1865...".-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The language of this is so vague. I'm not able to understand it. But from later parts, I assume that he became a head later. I hope it'll take time as on Syed Ahmad Ullah, citations prove that he is the founder? - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 14:41, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes your assumption is correct. Baba Bhandari succeeded Syed Ahmad Ullah. The Syed Gulamur Rahman Maizbhandari page is so muddled and poorly written that it’s given rise to this confusion. As time permits I might try to clean it up. Most of it actually needs to be stripped away altogether. It’s just hagiographic anecdote. Best regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Current Leder

@GorgeCustersSabre:, Helleo Brother, Recently you reverted my edit in this page. You reverted this part Saifuddin Ahmad Maizbhandari is the order's current leader with this reference. But you may find the another leader's name in this reference. As a said in the edit summary while deleting that part that this was not correct information, because in maizbhander there are several manzil and every manzil has several sufi master or leaders. And one more things, this name is not related to this article. So no one is called leader of hole Mmaizbhander alone. So I will request you to correct the information.--IqbalHossain (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Salam dear IqbalHossain, I hope you are fine. Thanks for your kind advice. I can’t agree that the article is right or wrong independent of what the source says, but if you have reliable and published third-party sources to show there’s an error I’m sure that other editors and I will gladly accept the change. And yes I agree with you about the term Manzil. But we need sources. Best regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 12:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Walaikum Salam Dear GorgeCustersSabre, Hope you are also well. Please have a look on this reference. Its a reliable source (Bangladesh National Portal). In this source, it is called that Emdadul Hoque is the current leader according to an emergency notification in 1984. There are several eminent leader like Mohammad Hasan Maizbhandari, Dr. Didarul Hoque Maizbhandari, Mohammad Nazibul Hoque Maizbhandari (also a member of Parliament) , Mozibul Bashar Maizbharai and many more. As Wikipedia is a non biased platform and we all are trying to give right information to the readers, I think you will consider this reference. Best regards brother.--IqbalHossain (talk) 12:59, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear friend IqbalHossain, you say in the first post above “no one is called leader of whole Mmaizbhander alone” but in your second post you say that Emdadul Hoque is the leader. Can you please clarify. Thank you kindly. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 13:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear GorgeCustersSabre, as I said earlier no one is called leader of whole Maizbhander alone, because there are several Manzils which have their own leaders. But the source, you added, called Saifuddin Ahmed as the leader and Bangladesh National Portal called Emdadul Hoque Maizbhandari as the leader. There are two main Manzil in Maizbhader named Gausia Ahmadia Manzil and Gausia Rahmania Manzil. Gausia Ahmadia Manzil has four important leaders (Sajjadanshin) named Emdadul Hoque Maizbhandari, Dr. Didarul Hoque Maizbhandari, Shahidul Hoque Maizbhandari and Mohammad Hasan Maizbhandari. But according to an emergence notification of 1984 by Syed Delower Hossain Maizbhandari, emdadul Hoque Maizbhandari claimed as the leader. In another part, Gausia Rahmania also has several leader named Mozibul Bashar Maizbhandari, Mohammad Nazibul Hoque Maizbhandari (also a member of Parliament), Saifuddin Ahmed Maizbhandari and many more. In fact, the issue of leadership has not been resolved here yet. They have not yet collectively appointed anyone as a leader. ‍I think I can made you understood.--IqbalHossain (talk) 13:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is: 1) there is no leader for whole Maizbhandari order (as the issue of leadership has not been resolved) 2) but Maizbhandari order is divied into Manzil & these Manzil has leader. so we shouldn't write "Saifuddin Ahmad Maizbhandari is the order's current leader", we need remove this line or rephrase it. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

আফতাবুজ্জামান that won't be done without a reliable source. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 00:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear আফতাবুজ্জামান, Aaqib Anjum Aafī, there is lots of reliable sources, ( references: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], where name of lots of leaders (Shajjadansheen) is mentioned. And also, in Bangladesh government largest portal [8], they mentioned Syed Emdadul Hoque Maizbhandari as Leader. Moreover you may look into this thesis paper. In page no. 13 and 14 of this paper, it is written,

Ahmadullah is followed by few other influential saints in Maizbhandar‟s history such as Syed Golamur Rahman Maizbhandari, Delawar Hossain Maizbhandari, Ziaul Huq Maizbhandari and Shafiul Bashar Maizbhandari- all of them are related to Ahmadullah. These saints had their own unique style of spreading „baiyat‟. None of them are alive now. But in each of their houses (manjil), there is one Sajjadanashin Pir (the Pir‟s descendant who acts as the head of the house and its management and he is also considered as a 14 Pir). The current Sajjadanashin Pir of Ahmadiyya manjil is Syed Emdadul Huq and Syed Hassan Maizbhandari of Huq manjil (house of Ziaul Huq).

So we shouldn't write "Saifuddin Ahmad Maizbhandari is the order's current leader". --IqbalHossain (talk) 03:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]