Talk:Costa Pereira

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On 28 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Alberto Costa Pereira to Costa Pereira. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 28 October 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 12:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alberto Costa Pereira → Costa Pereira – The WP:COMMONNAME of the footballer is always "Costa Pereira", always omitting his legal first name "Alberto" and also the participle "De". See every single reference and external link on the page (except NFT which is user generated, and one link that mentions his full legal name Alberto da Costa Pereira after introducing him as "Costa Pereira"). He did not ever use his full legal name professionally. This list for example gives the first name for many footballers but not Costa Pereira, see here. References here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

This is not the same case as players like "Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain" as references often used their legal first name. Costa Pereira is effectively his nickname, and the current title of the page is a name hardly ever used for the player - see for example his death announcement. Ortizesp (talk) 20:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 09:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per native sources who don't call him Alberto and common name usage elsewhere. The use of full Portuguese names as article titles are rarely used, e.g. Diogo José Teixeira da Silva = Diogo Jota or Oscar dos Santos Emboaba Júnior = Oscar. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 23:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: "Costa Pereira" are his surnames, not a WP:COMMONNAME. The previous examples clearly do not apply as they are known by just one simple name or, in the case of Jota, a name/nickname compound. Plus, Diogo Jota's article is not called only JOTA (and he's clearly known by this), so what's the difference to here? BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- His COMMONNAME is Costa Pereira as per every single reference on his page. Also his surname is "Da Costa Pereira", not "Costa Pereira". Jota is known as both "Jota" and "Diogo Jota", so it's a NATURAL disambiguated as is. Not the same situation as Costa Pereira at all.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It does not matter, every article here (unless it's a nickname or similar) should carry a first name and a surname. "Alberto" is the subject's first name, "Costa Pereira" the surnames. Should we have articles called Rooney or Obama then? And (Ortizesp says it above, not me) "Costa Pereira" is NOT A NICKNAME, it's TWO SURNAMES! Here is this reliable source containing his full name (https://arquivos.rtp.pt/conteudos/alberto-da-costa-pereira-parte-i/, Rádio e Televisão de Portugal), plus this others (https://serbenfiquista.com/jogador/costa-pereira, https://www.leme.pt/magazine/efemerides/1222/nascimento-de-costa-pereira.html, https://alexandrepais.pt/geral/dossier-has-been-em-defesa-do-costa-dos-frangos-que-era-um-fabuloso-guarda-redes/).

I tried my best, whatever the outcome is i will not contest it, i know what the article should be named. Attentively --RevampedEditor (talk) 03:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. SparklessPlug (talk | contribs) 09:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When they list his full name, they always say "Alberto da Costa Pereira", not "Alberto Costa Pereira". And only after heading or naming him as "Costa Pereira". "Costa Pereira" is effectively his nickname, there's some random Portuguese, Spanish and Brazilian footballers that are only ever known by their last names and not their first names, like the several Fernandes (footballer)s. Ortizesp (talk) 19:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ortizesp so would you move Diogo Jota to Jota (footballer, born 1996),or Guilherme Camacho to just Camacho? To comply to your arguments, those articles should have these names... BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 22:43, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of Jota: it was already moved once to YOB dab[1] before the article returned whence it came[2] via this comment addition four years ago. I would definitely not move that page. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 23:02, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say those are slightly different cases because they are disambigauted as per WP:NATURAL. NATURAL doesn't apply here since Costa Pereira is the only one with that specific nickname. Also, Diogo Jota is used commonly enough that it could be his COMMONNAME. For Guilherma Camacho, other than for NATURAL reasons I wouldn't be that upset if his page was at Camacho (footballer) or whatever.--Ortizesp (talk) 03:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 18:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Giant Snowman 18:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support In Portugal, he's also known as "Costa Pereira", e.g. https://arquivos.rtp.pt/conteudos/costa-pereira/. SLBedit (talk) 20:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.