Talk:All in the Family

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Origin of the phrase[edit]

I think the fact that there was a syndicated political column called "All in the Family" for thirty years is a significant bit of trivia for this page. Can you ask Norman Lear if he'd heard or read the title before he coined the phrase? Hank chapot 06:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Lear didn't coin the phrase; it's been around a lot longer than the show. Darguz Parsilvan 11:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Asking Lear himself and including his answer here would also be original research not permitted in Wikipedia. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 19:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
If the asker was an interviewer and the interview were to be published, including that information would not be original research. I'm guessing he didn't intend to suggest a wikipedian randomly find Mr. Lear and put the question to him so that it could be included in Wikipedia. 50.77.156.102 (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Locating «Hauser Street» project[edit]

This project is an attempt to locate the fictional 704 Hauser Street by interpreting other spatial references mentioned in various episodes.

  • In the "Archie's Brief Encounter (Part 2)" episode, a reference is made to the effect that «Steinway St.» is not far from the Bunker house. One could assume that 704 Hauser St. would be close to 35th Avenue and Steinway Street. --Jazzeur 21:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Reunion on Hauser Street episode, Edith mentions that the address of Denise, the waitress with which Archie had a brief encounter Archie's Brief Encounter (Part 1 and 2), is 113-64 67th Street. In the Archie's Brief Encounter (Part 1) episode, Denise says she knows that Archie does not live far from her and that Kelcy's Bar is not far from her place neither. Here is a possible location for Denise's apartment. --Jazzeur 22:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Bogus Bills episode, Archie has to go to the Elmhurst police station to get Edith, who was arrested for passing a counterfeit $10. The address of the Elmhurst police station (115th Precinct) is 92-15 Northern Boulevard, Queens. It is fair to assume that this locationis not far from the Bunkers. --Jazzeur 21:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Stephanie's Conversion episode, Edith mentions that they should contact a synagogue on 97th Street so that Stephanie can get teachings in the Jewish faith. It is fair to assume that the this location is within a reasonable distance from 704 Hauser Street. --Jazzeur 20:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Fire episode, Edith tells the operator that to get to their house, the fire trucks need to go down Northern Boulevard east, turn right at the Rexall Drug Store, and go two blocks in. Several People above in the section titled "Astoria?" have demonstrated well enough that the Bunkers' house is located in Astoria. So we know that the bunkers live two blocks off Northern Boulevard in Astoria. 12.165.27.130 (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Origin of "dingbat"[edit]

Porky in Wackyland#Notes mentions a TerryToons cartoon character named Dingbat. Is this where the word came from? Clarityfiend 20:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

A dingbat is a typrographer's term; Zapf Dingbats is one example.

Political insight[edit]

  • In the 1973 Episode "Henry's Farewell", Gloria predicts that the United States will elect a black man as President before it ever elects a female President.

For some reason, Thingg has deemed this not worth keeping on the "All in the Family" page despite its now proven prescience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.170.12.120 (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Why is this worthy of note? Who got the vote first? Oh that's right, black men, by half a century. Seems like there's a pretty solid precedent. 50.77.156.102 (talk) 19:49, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Controversy[edit]

what was the controversial thing of this show, why is it categorized as a controversial tv show

Hopefully this section from the 1970s article will answer your question.
In the United States, television in the seventies was transformed by what became termed as "social consciousness" programming, spearheaded by television producer Norman Lear. All in the Family, his adaptation of the British television series Til Death Us Do Part, broke down television barriers. When the series premiered in 1971, Americans heard the words "fag," "nigger," and "spic" on national television programming for the first time. All in the Family was the talk of countless dinner tables throughout the country; Americans hadn't seen anything like it on television before. The show became the highest-rated program on US television schedules in the fall of 1971 and stayed in the top slot until 1976—to date, only one other series has tied All in the Family for such a long stretch at the top of the ratings. Mike H (Talking is hot) 05:19, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

In a warning to viewers, CBS ran a disclaimer before airing the first episode (which disappeared from the screen with an exaggerated sound of a toilet flushing)

"The program you are about to see is All in the Family. It seeks to throw a humorous spotlight on our frailties, prejudices, and concerns. By making them a source of laughter we hope to show, in a mature fashion, just how absurd they are."

This is wrong. I saw those initial episodes myself back in 1971. The disclaimer was only spoken by an announcer, over a publicity photo of the cast. It was eventually dropped, but the episodes never had the disclaimer printed on screen; it wasn't preceded by the word WARNING, and did not include the sound of a toilet flushing. All this was erroneously implied in a 1991 All in the Family anniversary special, possibly for humorous effect, but as television history, it's wrong. This information about the toilet flush and WARNING is all over the web, probably copied from Wikipedia (or vice versa). I'm unable to find anything on the web to support what I'm saying here, though the Robert Metz' book, CBS: Reflections in a Bloodshot Eye might be a help (I no longer have a copy). Just1thing (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

That entire section has been tagged as WP:OR for almost three years. I've removed the section but left the information in-tact in the collapsed table below. Please do not re-add this information to the article until verifiable sources can be included. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Apparently 2 years isn't long enough[edit]

I removed a section of unreferenced original research that had been tagged since January 2012; the edit was reverted on the grounds that it "should be discussed (here) first". This is obviously nonsense, especially as the editor apparently couldn't be arsed to discuss anything. But in the interest of placating a revert-for-the sake-of-reverting, here's some "discussion". The list of actors in dual roles was both unreferenced (and tagged as such for 2 years) and incomplete. What about Ed Peck, who played a tax-cheat in "Archie's Fraud" and a police officer in "Archie's Contract"? Edith Diaz, who played Serafina Mendoza in "The Elevator Story" and Maria Estrada in "We're Having a Heat Wave"? Barbara Cason, who played Clair Packer in "The Election Story" and a hospital nurse in "Birth of the Baby"? Corey Fischer, who played Jeff in "Mike's Hippie Friends Come to Visit" and a jailed hippie in "Archie and the Lock-up"? Michael Mann, who played Reverend Harris in "New Year's Wedding", Dr. Dolby in "Gloria's False Alarm", and Rabbi Jacobs in "Stephanie's Conversion"? Frank Campanella, who played Det. Sgt. Perkins in "Archie Sees a Mugging" and Officer Garsky in "Archie's Civil Rights"? Louis Guss, who played the Delivery Man in "The Locket" and Sam in "Superbowl Sunday"? Ect, ect, ect. Such a ridiculous list could go on forever. What criterion decides who gets mentioned and who doesn't? And why in the world would anyone object to removing unreferenced material after two years of waiting for the requested citations? Joefromrandb (talk) 06:49, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I was alarmed by the sheer volume of material being deleted without discussion. I'm also not much of a stickler for sources when any layman can examine the subject of the article to verify things themselves. But I understand your reasoning, now, so I'm happy with the edit. Willondon (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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Justin Quigley - Burt Mustin[edit]

Perhaps I have overlooked the obvious in both the article and also within a talk section, but I cannot find the character of Justin Quigley played by actor Burt Mustin in this article. He should be mentioned under "recurring characters" since he was a recognized personality by the audience who was brought back on several occasions. His first appearance was in Season 4 episode: "Edith Finds an Old Man". He makes another 4 appearances throughout the run including "Archie's Weighty Problem". Would anyone mind my including him as a "recurring character"? unless of course I'm missing something already. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 22:30, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, to me. Willondon (talk) 02:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Descriptions of Archie Bunker too harsh[edit]

I have slightly edited the description of Archie in order to provide more balance because the tone was all wrong. Norman Lear created Archie Bunker in order to represent an archaic way of thinking in Archie all too prevalent in America, and as a way to make a social commentary. To describe Bunker as being almost an evil racist goes too far and if that were the character then it would have never drawn the audience it did. An article like this is not the place to make a political commentary----that was the job of the show 'All in the Family'. It makes no sense to make the description of Bunker to be such as one that ignores his humanity--- no matter how flawed that is. I believe the very fact that character portrayed by Archie's wife Edith-- a virtual saint of a woman-- who finds humanity in her husband and love (as it was intended in the narrative by Norman Lear the show's creator), basically means Archie isn't as evil as the original description in this article suggested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.175.117.222 (talk) 08:49, 8 August 2016 (UTC)