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First sentence[edit]

What is with the first sentence? "...was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 to determine the survival of the Union or independence for the Confederacy." The terms used aren't defined until much later in the lede, nor are they linked, and they only make sense in the context of the war itself. It also sounds very awkward and doesn't match the tone of the rest of the paragraph. This is not a good introductory sentence. 73.155.94.20 (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

the first sentence works for me. people reading the paragraph will make sense of it. Rjensen (talk) 21:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
It's tough to say everything in one sentence, unless it's way too long.Jimmuldrow (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Not that I'm married to the idea, but could anyone else get behind "The American Civil War, widely known in the United States as simply the Civil War as well as other sectional names, was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 to determine the survival of the United States as it previously existed or independence for a coalition of seceding states." ? MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 18:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

How about, "The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the United States federal government (the Union) and eleven secessionist Southern states (the Confederate States of America)"? That sounds like a much better sentence. Jaqoc (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Agree. The existing first sentence is unsatisfactory in the use of "breakaway" POV. It reads, "The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865, to determine the integrity of the United States of America as it defeated the bid for independence by the breakaway Confederate States of America."
Prefer: The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the federal government for Union integrity and eleven secessionist Southern states known as the Confederate States of America." -- TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 11:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
That's better, more informative, better tone. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
To be more accurate so as to include the number eleven states, I copy edited the proposal to "The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the federal government for Union integrity and the secessionists in eleven Southern states known as the Confederate States of America." I hope that still serves our purpose. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Maybe if we drop the number of states, because it certainly can be said that seven state governments were captured by secessionists, it could be "The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the federal government for Union integrity and Southern states known as the Confederate States of America." TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:55, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Seems a bit awkward, as if there was some entity called "the federal government for Union integrity". I'd suggest reworking the sentence, or maybe dropping "for Union integrity", and explain the motivations later, perhaps in a follow on sentence in the lead. I also think United States should be retained in the lead sentence. Maybe something like: "The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the United States federal government (the Union) and Southern states known as the Confederate States of America." Or perhaps reworked as: "The American Civil War was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between Southern states known as the Confederate States of America, which were attempting to secede from the United States, and the U.S. federal government, which was attempting to preserve the Union." Mojoworker (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I broke it into two sentences and the problem with breaking out the federal government is the northern states also participated. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Ahh. Sorry. I had an old version of the page up from earlier this morning when I started reading the comments, and I didn't realize you had already changed it. I think it reads well. Mojoworker (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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Films[edit]

There is a film missing: "Glory" (1989) just look up "glory movie" on Google. The civil war one w/ col. Shaw. CaptainTyTy2 (talk) 01:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

That appears to be on the list. Dan D. Ric (talk) 01:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

The States in the war[edit]

Couldn't the article contain some information about the states in the war,information such as the battles fought in the state,the secession,the regiments,etc.

In addition,it could contain the two templates of the states in the war to lead for the articles for more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.19.122.50 (talk) 03:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I added in See also -- * "*state* in the American Civil War". Templates sounds more ambitious. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Second paragraph syntax error[edit]

Forgive me my novice-ness, please; I will be short:

In the second paragraph, regarding this sentence:

> Four years of intense combat left 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers dead, a higher number than the

> American casualties of World War I and World War II combined

If you were to replace the word "casualties" with deaths, this sentence will agree with the data on [1], because casualties include the wounded, which wound send the number well over 1,250,000 for both world wars combined.

References

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Arbyq5000 (talk) 05:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)arbyq5000 8/17/2016

Yes check.svg Done. I used "military deaths", to ensure someone doesn't think it includes civilians. Thanks for pointing this out. --A D Monroe III (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

France[edit]

The Confederacy was never diplomatically recognized by any foreign country.

Total BS. France was buying cotton from them like it was going out of style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.217.118 (talk) 11:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Trade is not the same thing as formal diplomatic recognition. Just ask Taiwan. -Ben (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
It is not true that French businessmen were buying lots of cotton from the Confederacy. The Southerners themselves imposed export embargo and early 1861, and by the time it was lifted the US naval blockade shut down 90+ percent of cotton exports. French businessman purchased more cotton from the United States than from the Confederacy. In any case, the French government bought zero cotton and the French government did not recognize the Confederacy. Rjensen (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)