Talk:Andrzej Panufnik

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He migrated to Britain escaping from Poland in 1954, because the performance and the publication of the work had been prohibited by People's Republic of Poland till 1977.

What is "the work"? A particular piece, or all his work? Why was it banned? Flapdragon

Template was subtly misleading

The {{Infobox musical artist}} template was put on this article (I will leave aside my puzzlement that after I removed it, it was reinstated using the "undo" function with an inscrutable edit summary of "also conducture"). Here's a permalink to it, to show what was in it and facilitate discussion.

The information in the infobox in that linked version of the article may be summarised thus. Andrzej Panufnik (pictured) (born Warsaw 1914-09-24, died Twickenham 1991-10-27 aged 77) was a classical composer, conductor and pedagogue whose instrument was the piano. He was active 1934 to 1991, and acts with which he was associated were the CBSO and Warsaw Philharmonic. Here's his website.

It is, on the face of it, OK. But it glosses over many important nuances, and if this paragraph were the lead I would be editing it to address several problems. The problems are not lessened because the misinformation happens to be in a box. I do not have an antipathy to infoboxes, but I do have an antipathy to misinformation and misleading presentation.

Firstly, most of it is (or should have been) redundant with the lead. Admittedly, when the infobox was added the lead was minuscule, but I have now addressed that (my previous attempt to do this was summarily reverted by Emerson7 (talk · contribs)). The article already says where and when he was born and died (and WP:MOSBIO says this information doesn't belong in the lead), and that he was a composer and conductor. "Pedagogue" is a good description of him; I kept it in the lead.

Secondly, while his main instrument was the piano, he was never a career pianist, and the infobox suggested he may have been. He actually studied as a percussionist, but this was only a ruse to get him on the course at the Conservatoire.

Thirdly, "active 1934-1991" verges on the meaningless. It might as well say "active all his adult life", which is not noteworthy. He was not equally active in all his fields from 1934-1991, and the infobox implies he may have been. He was a career composer, and an occasional conductor, after he relinquished his CBSO post. What does "active" mean in this context, anyway? Is there a reference that says he was not active before 1934? What event in 1934 made him active where he had previously been inactive?

Fourthly, how can Wikipedia possibly get away with describing the CBSO and the Warsaw Philharmonic as "acts"? I have never heard a symphony orchestra described as an "act". (Other than perhaps at a crossover event, when backing a superstar pop vocalist - an event which Panufnik would never have countenanced.) Surely, it introduces inaccuracy into Wikipedia to suggest that "act" is anything other than a misnomer?

Fifthly, "Classical" linked to Classical music, which is unhelpful. Sixthly, Panufnik's URL is not important enough to be in the lead, and belongs instead discreetly in the "External links" section.

I have removed problematic entries from the infobox, in the hope that these issues can be addressed. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a pretty good article; I am, however concerned about the use of his own work as a source. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should go here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 14:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

B-class revew

Failed for WP:POLAND due to insufficient inline citations. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

FAC

Hi, all. I'm thinking about getting this article up to FA status so we can feature it as a TFA on September 24, 2014 (100th anniversary of his birth). The lead and biography section needs work, for starters. If there are any other ideas, please let me know. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Panufnik's second wife

Camilla is described as the daughter of George Jessel, a highlighted name which takes the reader to the entry for the Victorian jurist, Sir George Jessel. She and her brother, Toby, were, in fact, the children of Richard Jessel, a great-nephew of George Jessel. Toby was Conservative MP for Twickenham, which likely accounts for Panufnik and Camilla living in Twickenham themselves.205.250.113.160 (talk) 12:51, 30 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.113.160 (talk) 12:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

I deleted the mention of George Jessel as it is obvious from the birth and death dates that he was not Camilla's father. Syek88 (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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;Composers Project Assessment of Andrzej Panufnik: 2024-11-5 This is an assessment of article Andrzej Panufnik by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicipiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. Origins/family background/studies Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described? ok Early career Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? ok Mature career Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? ok List(s) of works Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article. ok Critical appreciation Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)? ok Illustrations and sound clips Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.) Images; no sound. References, sources and bibliography Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references? Article has references, including autobiography/memoir; no inline citations. Structure and compliance with WP:MOS Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.) Lead is short. Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE) Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD) Summary This article was a quite nice read. The writing is of good quality, and it covers all of the major aspects I expect to see in a composer article. I am concerned about the sources, however. Due to the lack of inline citations, I am unable to ascertain the extent to which the memoir (or is it an autobiography) is used. WP:SELFPUB is potentially a serious problem, and such sources need to be used carefully; I cannot tell how that source was used here. One relatively minor factual point: we never find out what happens to Scarlett. Did she die, or did they divorce? When? Article is B-class; it looks nice, but sources are an issue. Magic♪piano 14:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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