Talk:Automotive industry in Thailand

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Table background colours

• The background colours reflect the intrinsic origin of foreign-badged models in markets without local mass-market automobile companies. It aims to provide some distinction for those models which were primarily produced by local subsidiaries of foreign automobile companies, but whose products still share the same badge with the parent company. Most if not all major automobile companies have adopted the practice of developing region or market specific models, for various reasons.
• For example : The current Toyota Hilux, Innova, Vios, Avanza etc. are all primarily designed and manufactured by Toyota's Thai and Indonesian subsidiaries. These Toyota models are not even sold, let alone produced in Japan. Thus, the intrinsic origin of these Toyota models are actually more Thai and Indonesian, as opposed to Japanese, even though they have a Japanese (Toyota) badge. However, other Toyota models like the Corolla, Camry and CH-R are sold globally in both developed and developing markets, and are also manufactured at multiple regional hubs. For these Toyota models, the background colour defaults to Japan instead, as they are largely 'global cars' which were not intentionally developed for any particular market(s), or developed by a regional subsidiary.
• A foreign-badged model may be considered intrinsically local if it can meet some of the following criteria, among others ;
  • The foreign-badged model is/was ;
    • designed by the parent company primarily for that particular market.
    • primarily designed by a subsidiary of the parent company in that particular market (local R&D).
    • manufactured in that market which is also the regional or global export source of that particular model.
    • exclusively sold in that particular market.
    • not officially sold in the parent company's domestic market.
    • has unique body styles or major variants in that particular market.
• If a foreign-badged model does not fulfil most of the above criteria, or if otherwise indeterminable, the model's intrinsic origin will default to the parent company's market instead.
• The intrinsic origin of a foreign-badged vehicle applies to that local market only. If the exact same model is sold in another market, the background colour will default to the parent company's market instead. For this reason, the intrinsic origin of the same model will vary from market to market.
• For example : For the Indonesian market, the Toyota Avanza can be labelled as an intrinsically local model. But in all other export markets, the Avanza is tagged as a Japanese model instead. This approach aims to prevent further confusion, as many models can be labelled with more than one intrinsic origin, such as the American-badged, Australian-designed and Thai-manufactured Ford Ranger T6.

Reasoning

I used background colours in the tables to add more context to the various models, and to highlight the changing trends in the market over the decades. I didn't want to simply copy the data from the source, as I felt it might have constituted copyright infringement. However, if the colours are off-putting, or if my reasoning is weak, I can modify or just remove them. Cheers - Aero777 (talk) 14:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation, I appreciate it as I was scratching my head trying to figure out the meaning of the colours haha. I'm not opposed with the colouring itself, but I do have some opinion regarding this Thailand vs Japan division:

• This division would probably be a potential subject of debate, as it can be ambiguous for several models. For example, the Mazda2 sedan might be developed for Thailand / outside Japan, but the hatchback version is certainly an original Japanese market product. Or Corolla Altis, which could be said as a non-Japanese variation, if not ASEAN, of the Corolla. Or the Nissan March and Nissan Almera, which is/was sold in Japan.
• Seems too Japan-centric, sure probably almost 90% of the Thai market is dominated by Japanese brands but it will raise some questions.

Though I must say I do like some coloring in the table, so if you're planning to replace it, I'm suggesting to colour-code passenger vehicles vs commercial vehicles (which include pickup trucks and PPV, pickup-based SUV), or even Eco Cars, so that readers know how pickup trucks and its derivatives dominate the Thai market, though its domination began to decline. Nice work btw, I'm happy to see a fellow 'sales figures enthusiast' here, will include a similar table in Automotive industry in Indonesia very soon. Cheers! - Andra Febrian (talk) 07:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Andra Febrian, many thanks for sharing your thoughts and suggestions, I appreciate it ! Since yesterday, I've been reconsidering my original idea regarding the 'local vs. foreign origin' label... and ultimately I too concluded that in the long-term, it might end up causing unexpected confusion and potential debate. I thought of using multiple colours for each model as well, but then the tables might become too messy and even more complicated. Also, you're absolutely right on the Mazda2 hatch / sedan origin... I recall having a tough time deciding either 'red or blue' ! I guess the Corolla Altis and Almera / March origins are also quite debatable...

For those markets which have local car brands (like Automotive industry in Australia), it might be somewhat easier and clearer to label foreign vs. local... but to be on the safe side, I think I'll just change the colour labels anyways. I think your suggestion to label passenger vs. commercial vehicles for the Thai market is more meaningful and clear-cut. I noticed you have created a similar table for Automotive industry in Indonesia using more clear-cut labels (local vs. imported)... great work btw, you've even managed to 100% complete the table with data from an alternate source !

All things considered, it appears trying to label each model's intrinsic origin using plain colours is just too complicated, ambiguous and contentious for what it's worth. I will change the background colours to reflect something simpler and clearer, on a per-market basis. I will make the changes over the coming days for all the tables I created... I'll also try using lighter background colours, as some of the colours I used might be too bright, distracting or off-putting. Thanks again for sharing your perspective and suggestions for the colour labels, I appreciate it ! Best wishes - Aero777 (talk) 09:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)