Talk:Battle of Bataan

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This article needs a lot of linkfixing - especially the Division sometimes link to totally wrong articles. andy 16:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

wrong time[edit]

The philippenes is 8 hours ahead from america. it would be in the evening of december 7th, 1941

-john-calvin morleskieviech

I'd like to note that this article seems to be written from an entirely American point of view, extolling Americans acts of heroism and individual victories. The heroism stories are interesting but one soldier destroying a howitzer doesn't seem like it belongs in the article. I'm sure there were an equal amount of heroes on the Japanese side.Halvorson 22:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I did as much as I could to balance the article on a purely grammatical basis, eg. changing "enemy" to "Japanese". Terrifying Angel 22:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

"in the early stages of World War II"[edit]

I've removed this from the very first sentance from the first line of the article. I'm not sure that over two years into World War II would count as "in the early stages".

The only problem is that this edit changes the meaning of the sentance slightly, so it may need something to replace it. "in the early stages of World War II in the Pacific"..?

Even "in the early stages of WWII in the Pacific" has its faults. Imperial Japan had been waging war on China (Manchuria) since 1931 with a full invasion of China in 1937, and Japan's designs on southeast Asia and the Philippines along with their designs for a "co-prosperity sphere" started even before then. This could be construed as the actual start of WWII, if not for the West's disinterest/prejudice in the welfare of the Chinese and southeast Asia at the time, and their short shortsightedness in recognizing Imperial Japan's designs on all of southeast Asia including the Philippines.Zargon2010 (talk) 10:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Which San Jose?[edit]

As there are two cities/towns named San Jose on Luzon, could someone who is familiar with the history of this battle, or with the geography of the island, disambiguate the reference to San Jose in the description of the American defensive lines? Thanks. Gentgeen (talk) 11:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Edward P. King[edit]

It seems a shame that General King is only mentioned almost as an afterthought in this article, since it was due to his leadership that the troops held out for so long. MacArthur only visited Bataan once during the battle. And Wainwright, when told by King he needed to surrender to save lives as fighting wasn't accomplishing anything anymore, placed the onus back on King to do the surrendering. At the end of the war, when King was liberated and was asked to attend the surrender ceremony at Tokyo, MacArthur pretended not to even know him. For this and other reasons, I will not edit this page, as my feelings about "Dougout Doug" might take over. Trfasulo (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Narcisco Salbadin/Ortilano?[edit]

This guy was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross for his role in this battle. But the article refers to a soldier with a different surname, Narcisco Salbadin, and that he won a different medal (Silver Cross?). According to the documentary, Shootout!, his name is Narcisco Ortilano. The article on wiki shows otherwise, which is correct?

That narrative was anonymously added to the article as an unsupported assertion back in 2007 in this edit. I don't know whether either or both names are correct (about which, see WP:V). Salbadin is supported by several online sources [1]; the ones I've looked at: [2][3][4][5] appear to be self-published which, if so, would make them unsuitable as supporting sources in WP (though WP articles do very often rely on such sources). Ortilano is supported by online sources [6] and by several dead-tree books. [7][8]. Perhaps this person was known by both names. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

In that case, I believe the info on the article must be corrected then. Plus (from what I know), neither the United States nor the Philippines use the Silver Cross. Wolcott (talk) 13:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The United States has a medal called the Silver Star, which is what the author might be referring to. Zargon2010 (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Bataan[edit]

"... largest United States surrender since the American Revolution." While this may be true, is there any evidence to support this statement, or is it pure hyperbole? Does surrender of Northern forces to the South during the Civil War count? How many other US forces surrendered in the South Pacific on other islands/atolls? What are the figures for other forces in the South Pacific that surrendered? I don't know, just asking the question. I don't see any supporting references. What is the 2nd most number of US forces that ever surrendered? Zargon2010 (talk) 11:02, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I have tagged the statement for a reference. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Multiple issues[edit]

The article needs extensive revision with cites. There is focus and a good bit of text expended on preludes (should be covered separately and is only partly covered in Philippines Campaign (1941–42)) while there is considerable detail lacking on the events on and after 7 January when forces concentrated in and for the defense of Bataan itself. There is also little context of Bataan as it applied to major and failing efforts at reinforcement, the "politics" of the event within the U.S. (War Department particularly) and preparations at Corregidor. Palmeira (talk) 12:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)