Talk:Belgium national football team
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The home colours for the team is all red. Which is why the team is nicknamed "Les Diables Rouges", "The Red Devils".
The person who keeps changing the colours to red/black/yellow is mistaken. There are photos around where the players are, only exceptionally, wearing the normally never worn red/black/yellow colours, but those are exception. Here are some counter-examples :
http://footenbelgique.ifrance.com/images/Bel-Est11102003.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38065000/jpg/_38065688_belgiumreact_300x300.jpg http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_footballworldcup/VERCAUTEREN_F_19860615_JM_R.jpg http://www.handicapinternational.be/photo/344061-424709.jpg ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:48, August 24, 2007 (UTC) Well mabye the (Red,black,yellow) kit was alternate,i did remember seeing them were that kit.
The combination of red shirts, black shorts and yellow socks is actually correct as of 2006 - you can blame Nike for going all "retro" for that when they made the kit, possibly due to the fact that Belgium wore this combination of kit when they reached the final of the 1980 European Championships. From the 1980's through to 2006 they did wear all red. Jonzi9 (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I checked on Italy national football team page, and it looks like that Italian national team qualified for 7 consecutive times ('62-'86). This means we should remove the record claim, at least up next qualifiaction ends. --Panairjdde 10:14, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- no, actually, as 1982 champions, they automatically qualified for the 1986 edition... so they only had to play qualifiers for 1962-1982 --LimoWreck 20:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- Extract from  : Belgium successfully went through qualifying without a free pass or a walkover for the sixth consecutive World Cup, the only team ever to do so. (An asterisk for Italy here: they qualified six straight times from 1962-82, but got a partial walkover in 1962, needing only to beat Israel to go through.) --LimoWreck 13:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
rv incorrent qualifying record streak
- Hmm, 1982-2002 was correct, sorry, that got lost in the edits. It was the phrase "behind italy's seven" that was incorrect, but seems something got lost because i actually restored a part of a previous version. Seems to be correct now ;-) --LimoWreck 10:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- No problem. Piet 10:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe the name was invented earlier. Camille Jenatzy had the same nickname at around the same time, because of his red beard.
- Nope, freedom of language. It is true that now and then Dutch- and French-speaking players tend to cluster because of easier communication but in the current squad, there are no known tensions between players with different mother tongue. Most players understand Dutch and French, and many players (like Vincent Kompany and Romelu Lukaku) and coach Marc Wilmots can speak both languages well or fluently. Since the education of French in Flanders tends to be better than that of Dutch in Wallonia and since Wilmots is native French speaker, it is likely that French is used more frequently in the locker room.Kareldorado (talk) 12:04, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Can someone change the Belgium football uniform on the display. the home kit is red and away is all black. http://www.footballshirtculture.com/11/12-kits/belgium-2011-2012-burrda-football-shirts.html check the references.
This article is clearly in the middle of an edit war, with MonkeyKingBar insisting on inserting this paragraph:
- Belgium's FIFA World Cup appearances reflects the unusual depth of footballing talent for a country of this size, in the manner of the Czech Republic, the Netherlands and Sweden. The Belgium qualified for six successive World Cups from 1982 through 2002, a record bettered only by Spain whose 2010 World Cup was their seventh consecutive qualification (a streak going back to 1986). Every other nation with an equal or longer string of appearances has had the streak "interrupted" by automatic qualification as the host or the defending champion (the 2006 tournament was the first for which the defending champion did not automatically qualify).
This is unsourced and is, it seems to me, original research. I believe the burden of proof lies with the editor attempting to insert or re-insert the material (MonkeyKingBar). Can MonkeyKingBar or another editor provide some justification for including this material? If so, I will gladly stop removing it. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:21, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think it needs to be included, it is OR and saying the depth of talent is "unusual" then listing three other European teams (to which you could add England, Denmark and Portugal off the top of my head as smallish Euro countries with fairly decent records) seems to suggest it is not unusual at all anyway. BulbaThor (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
For me it is ok to insert pieces what a Belgian football fan could be proud about, but I would recommend only to include the parts that are still correct from a neutral/impartial point of view. For example, the part "a record bettered only by Spain whose 2010 World Cup was their seventh consecutive qualification (a streak going back to 1986)" is a at the same time kind of a compliment for the Belgian team but it also indicates an objective fact (I think, I don't know the qualification streaks for all countries) and because of that this small part could be inserted in my opinion. Kareldorado (talk) 18:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Would it not make more sense for the list of youngest players to state the team they were in when getting the first call up? An additional date for the debut could be useful too. — WardMuylaert (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Proposals for further elaboration of this article
After having put quite some effort in this article, I thought that next things could be useful to level up this article to a splendid article about the Belgian national squad:
- Translating and inserting parts from the History (but not necessarily as exhaustive) from the French article about the Red Devils, of course with references. Afterwards adding subtitles instead of having one long history-text.
- Proof-reading of recently added pieces (small texts about the stadium, outfit colours, charity)
- --> More recent parts of the article now are "Media coverage", the text from "2014 FIFA World Cup qualification", "Supporters and popularity", "Rivalries" and small texts from "Managers", "Captains" and "FIFA ranking" Kareldorado (talk) 13:13, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
(Done! Collapsible table within the article based on RSSSF) - Link to a new article in which all results from Belgium per opponent stand (W-D-L-%Wins)
- Uploading of suitable historic pictures into WikiMedia (a. o. squads from WC 1986, Euro '1980 and instead of the current team photo of the previous qualifiers one from the WC 2014 qualifers, as well as one of the mad Grand Place in Brussels in 1986), even though I don't know where to get the best pictures - legally (I am a newb).
(Done!) - Something about the healthy sportive rivalry with the Netherlands. I think there are many meaningful things to say about this. They are historical sparringpartners with many international games, often these were qualifiers. Apart from the tension there was seldom a bad atmosphere (unless in the conflict between P. Kluivert and L. Staelens), and there was cooperation in form of Euro 2000, the Belgium-Holland Bid for the World Cup 2018, the Beneliga for women clubs and - still virtual - a Beneliga for male clubs.
(Done!) - About the relation with supporters: maybe no history of mad supporters but recently different initiatives, such as the national supporter federation "1895" and the playful "Duiveluitdagingen" (Devil Challenges).
Is there someone with a creative pen around or a good photo searcher who wants to take care of one of these items? Personally I am willing to list up all game results. Thanks!
Detailed FIFA rankings
The month-by-month coloured list of how many ranking points the team had at specific dates in the past are not very conducive to good prose at the article. I would propose that the highest ranking (and possibly lowest, too) may be included, somewhere in the history section, but a standalone section just about the rankings holds trivial value to the article. I have thus removed it; national team Featured Articles and Good Articles do not have such a section, so I imagine this article could be improved in different ways. Thanks, C679 12:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
- I somewhat regretted the removal, but agree that it was a substantial numerical portion with relatively few information. Thanks for the commented adaptation. I got the idea from Hungary national football team, currently a "B" rated article (which is not too bad at the national football team scale as most of these team articles are "C" rated). Kareldorado (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)