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Number of vehicles in service

The article states that 31 are in service, but that was in back in 2010. Can anyone update that statistic? Coolgeek96 (talk) 23:49, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just updated to 54 in use from Aviation Week's 2014 source book. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone with adequate sources please update again? Nearly 6 years passed since this. Thanks, DPdH (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you check the article? The numbers in service is not listed in the article; probably removed by another editor that thinks that info is fluff or something. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox says Number built 92, but the ref is 2015. This can certainly be updated, but we need a newer ref! - Ahunt (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

World Air Forces 2020 lists 140 UH-1Ys, but I have difficulty getting the PDF address on from my tablet.

@DPdH: {{update inline}} exists for requesting updates to a specific item in a sentence, line, Infobox, etc. - BilCat (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@BilCat: Didn't know, thanks! DPdH (talk) 04:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just note that the total number in service is not the same as the number built (no. built > no. in service). There may be prototypes and test aircraft that are not put into operational service, along with aircraft lost in crashes. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:13, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crew count

The crew number under specifications indicate 2 (the pilot and co-pilot), but all Marine Corps utility helicopters fly with a Crew Chief. Would it be appropriate to include the Crew Chief as part of the crew? LokenAkhanteros (talk) 15:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is listing what the crew that are required for flight, not necessarily the full mission crew. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't stay consistent with other aircraft articles, such as the Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey and Sikorsky CH-53K King Stallion which does specify other mission crew members. LokenAkhanteros (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I only gave a reason why it is like it is now. I am not finding any sources currently cited in article that list 3 or 4 crew members now. The Navy Fact File lists 12: pilot and co-pilot, crew chief, gunner and eight troops. But other sources in the article only list pilot and co-pilot. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the fact file to be the most reliable source of information about this anyway - The 8 marines listed would better fit in cargo specifications, and gunners are optional, but the Crew Chief is a permanent member of a Venom Crew, no matter the mission. I think it should be included in the crew count. LokenAkhanteros (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I feel other source(s) are needed for only flight crew (excluding troop passengers) so this does not get into original research territory. But I won't argue if someone else updates it. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]