Talk:Biafra Referendum

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Expansion needed

All editors are welcomed to contribute by expanding the subject using available sources. Cheers Wår (talk) 06:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Biafra Referendum has recorded 50+million votes till date

Biafra Referendum has recorded 50+million votes till date. Biafrans both in homeland and abroad have voted to exit Nigeria and have given the Biafra Republic Government in exile (BRGIE),the mandate to defend their lives,land and properties. 146.90.5.222 (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who except Ekpa says this? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article needs a POV tag for now. Especially since this is a unilateral exercise. Borgenland (talk) 08:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it reads vaguely as an attempt at "This is legit! Really!!" May be seen as an attempt at recreating [1][2][3], though from what I remember, it's not as glaringly bad. Lots of WP:ABOUTSELF, though, written from the POV of Ekpa. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I previously tagged this article with the Context template, and noted the closest example that came to mind was 2014 Venetian independence referendum. CMD (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, there's nothing on what BRGIE is or who Ekpa is. Except, of course, Prime Minister. To me, it reads like the WP:PROMO is strong in this article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, iirc, Ekpa is a member of the OEAS group, but I don't have a cite for that atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chipmunkdavis thanks for bringing that example for helping me find an NPOV description of whatever this is. Borgenland (talk) 14:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The referendum is not conducted by UN or other official bodies but self-determination process. Not unanimous indeed but unilateral. That's why it's called SELF-referendum. You are right as well @Gråbergs Gråa Sång on the "About self" stuff. The keyword surrounding the article is "SELF". That's all I know. Wår (talk) 16:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And self-referendum seems to be a word he made up for the occasion, as in a referendum he is handling. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there doesn't seem to be any significant impact of this referendum and the numbers seems completely fabricated — this could be a section on Ekpa's page but the questionable truth and low level of reporting calls the notability into doubt. Watercheetah99 (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's entirely an Ekpa-thing, yes. The only thing people know about it is what he says. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note also that the current cite for the 30 million thing is this [4], whatever that is. However, they make clear that their source is this:[5]. This is not good-faith editing, this is WP:ADVOCACY editing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång

The 30 million also came from ORB International Wår (talk) 17:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Did you read what it says on this particular data-point? Did you mention that in the article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yea.

just added it on the timeline section of the article. Wår (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But you didn't write "Ekpa says 30 million" in the WP:LEAD or the infobox. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because the inline Citation is National security journal and it would be redundant to write "Ekpa says" and it's somewhat absurd. Why would you want it written "Ekpa says" since the inline Citation says "Biafra Republic Government in Exile held a referendum..."? Must Ekpa be on the Lead? He's already on the body of the article section Biafra_Referendum#Timeline. Wår (talk) 18:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And that source says

"Thirty million voted, a greater number than those who cast ballots in Nigeria’s most recent presidential elections."

Link in original. IMO that is quite clear, and WP-text should make it clear, in the WP:LEAD and elsewhere. Putting this in the infobox per that origin is unnecessary and possibly misleading to readers. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still inclusive till the Finland convention. Don't know if independent poll media like ORB survey of Iraq War casualties will at some point give update like in Iraq.Things can change rapidly though. Wår (talk) 17:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

I don't understand the reasoning here, the WP:LEAD is explicitly meant to repeat the body. If there is something not in the body, it should be removed. CMD (talk) 12:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. The possible argument would that the removed bits aren't "most important contents." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]