Talk:Bobotie

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Bobotie does not have an egg topping

Bobotie does not have an egg topping, but rather it is baked like and egg custard, with the egg mixture binding the dish.--Boerewors 11:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Hello: I just had this dish for the first time, it was very good. Could someone put up the pronunciation? Is it BOH-BOH-TEE, or something different. Thanks much Jimaginator (talk) 17:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone actually say /bɒˈboʊti/? Most people I've heard say it the Afrikaans way: something like /bǝˈbuǝti/. --Taejo|대조 16:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is pronounced like this, not like this. --NJR_ZA (talk) 17:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

Isn't it spelled 'Bobotjie', thats the only way I've ever seen it spelled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Part Time Security (talk • contribs) 11:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I only know the Bototie spelling as it has been used for many years [1], but google does return a number of results for Bototjie as well so I assume both are probably valid. I see there is already a redirect in place from Bobotjie--NJR_ZA (talk) 12:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Recipe origin

"The first recipe for bobotie appeared in a Dutch cookbook in 1609."

This statement needs expanding. What was the titleof the recipe? How was it spelled? Which book was it printed in?

I'm unable to find a Dutch cookery/recipe book from 1609, so I'm curious as to where it originated.

Does someone have the book referenced to check?

MrsMAB (talk) 16:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bobotie Origins

The sources this article sites as evidence for the Dutch origins of Bobotie are rather inaccessible unless you have a print copy and definitely do not represent a mainstream view of the origins of Bobotie. Unless someone can provide suitable, accessible evidence that Bobotie does derive from European cooking, I believe we should edit the page so that it represents more mainstream academic theories on it's origin which is of slave cooking. KaggenDreamer (talk) 13:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As inconvenient as it can be, there's absolutely no requirement that a source be available online. If there are mainstream theories that contradict what's show here, then surely those are available in sources that can be cited (or else I question your characterization of them as mainstream!). If so, then we can say that there are multiple theories and list them. Largoplazo (talk) 15:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There may be no requirement but it's a little suspect when the only sources that are from this point of view are not accessible. I would also point out that without the being able to directly check the source provided Leipoldt, who is cited here as saying that the recipe was "already known to Europe" seemed to think that Bobotie originated in the east himself according to this paper:

Oppelt, R. (2012). C. Louis Leipoldt and the Role of the “Cape Malay” in South African Cookery,

Journal of Literary Studies, 28(1):51-68

Could someone provide a precise quote that can corroborate this or else I believe it may be better to remove it entirely if it cannot be confirmed.

Here are some further sources that suggest the creole origins of the food:

Liebenberg, J. (2013). ‘Whose Bobotie is it?’, De Kat.

Botes, R.C. (2020). The South African Milk Tart, Origins and Originality. MA thesis, University of Pretoria

Ang, A. (2015). "Exploring Cape Malay Identity Through the Lens of Food". Independent Study Project (ISP) Collection. 2158.

De Beer, E. (2012). Spicing South Africa: Representations of Food and Culinary Traditions in South African Contemporary Art and Literature. MA thesis, University of Stellenbosch.

This article is not neutrally written and is framed to prime readers to believe that the Creole origins of the dish is refutable and not accepted by academics with more focus given on possible European origins, when the reality is much more nuanced. If there are no objections I will edit the article so that the it takes a more neutral framing. KaggenDreamer (talk) 15:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]