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Wikipedia in local news[edit]

Denver train crash[edit]

I've created the Denver train crash article. Wikipedians in South Africa, particularly Johannesburg, will be in a better postition that I am to find sources and expand upon the article. Mjroots (talk) 10:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Geology of South Africa[edit]

I have started a draft for what should be one of the fundamental "about the country" articles, please feel free to contribute. I have only a very basic knowlege of geology - high school level (30 years ago) plus some casual reading since. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:50, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Great start Roger (Dodger67) and also a great article to have. I might contribute to it although I am a little bit hesitant only because I am not very experienced with writing geography based articles. But even if I don't I still want to thank you for working on it. :-) --Discott (talk) 14:17, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Relevant move request[edit]

There is a move request at Talk:Epping (disambiguation) that members of this project may be interested in. Egsan Bacon (talk) 14:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Egsan Bacon.--Discott (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

8th Wiki Meetup - Cape Town[edit]

The 8th Cape Town meetup will coincide with the FPV Fest with whom Wikimedia ZA has partnered to host the Wiki From Above photographic competition. The event will take place in Stellenbosch at the Wild Clover Farm. You will have the opportunity to see some drones flying around and meet some members of South Africa's growing drone piloting community.

Date  : Saturday, 30 May
Time  : 10:00 onwards

For more information, please visit the meetup page on meta

Wiki Regards --Humetheresa (talk) 11:24, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for updating everyone about this Humetheresa! --Discott (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

More eyes on History of South Africa please[edit]

It has been heaviliy edited by an IP over a sustained period of several weeks, with very few contributions by others in the same period, thus it is at risk of WP:OWN problems. This is one of this project's fundamental articles so needs to be watched. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Last time I looked, the relevant article talk page had had 99 "watchers". Presumably a similar number are watching edits to the article itself. Several of those watchers have obviously been monitoring recent edits to that article over the "sustained" period Roger (Dodger67) (talk) is expressing concern about. A few of those editors who are monitoring recent edits to the article have diligently and helpfully removed several vandal edits by other IP users geo-located in the United States. The aforementioned watchers have raised no challenges or objections to the quality or content of the good-faith edits Roger (Dodger67) (talk) is referring to. I suggest Roger (Dodger67) (talk) is possibly misinterpreting or overlooking some specific provisions of WP:OWN. (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Interested parties may care to note that before the recent good-faith edits referred to above, the History of SA article (which is officially categorised as being of Vital Importance), had earlier been demoted from Good Article status to C-class status. This probably due to fact that the article had, over the years, become dissimulated through extensive unreferenced (and possibly plagiarised) original research, obvious POV, and multiple other issues including repetition and a lack of cohesive structure. I suggest the recent good-faith edits, about which Dodger67 is now raising concerns, have improved the article quite substantially. It is not clear why Roger (Dodger67) (talk has himself apparently not raised previously any concerns nor taken remedial action about the poor state of the article prior to the recent improvements, of which he is now expressing concern. (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
@User: my concern is that you appear to be on a "lone ranger" mission to rewrite the article according to what you alone deem to be "the truth". As far as I can see you've never made any attempt to recruit the participation or opinions of other editors, a vital article should not be a solo effort. In particular South African history is prone to controversy and "revisionism" for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with even a little knowlege of the subject. As for my lack of substantive contribution, I'm not a general history specialist, it's outside my comfort zone. By the way, I really do not appreciate the sarcastic way you have repeatedly mentioned and overlinked my username in your post above - the issue is not personal, it's procedural. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Dodger67, The edits were not "my truth" but were based on reliable and verifiable sources. That is how wikipedia works. If anyone has reliable and verifiable sources that contradict my particular sources, they are of course free to contribute those sources. That is also how wikipedia works, in the interests of neutrality and encyclopedic content.
As regards your claim that I have "never made any attempt to recruit the participation or opinions of other editors", you are invited to refer to the relevant article talk page, and to your very own user talk page.
Meanwhile, the article at issue still has lots of room for improvement, if anyone is interested, including your good self.
Incidentally, the revisionist approach to history is a valid and universally accepted paradigm in the field of historiography. There is no need to infer a derogatory meaning or place the word in parenthesis, or equate it with conspiracy theory. I am not responsible for the particular way history has unfolded in SA. (talk) 14:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I dont know why I am only responding to this discussion now, 3 months later, because history of South Africa articles are usually something I am pretty interested in. My first suggestion to User: is to please get a username. Having a user name goes a long way to increasing a sense of accountability when editing Wikipedia and so increases the likelihood that other editors will no treat your edits with skepticism. The other issue, and this is a general issue that is no one's fault per say, is that the page as a whole is not very informative not as informative as it could/should be in addition to having a couple of POV issues. I had a conversation a few days ago with a head-librarian at a major research library which was all about how uninformative he found this article on giving an informative summary about the history of the country and how it came to be. I think that says as much about where we are (or are not) as a country in figuring out exactly what the South African story/narrative is as well as the other a fore mentioned issues.--Discott (talk) 11:01, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

SA Survey Questionnaire[edit]

Just a reminder of our online user / contributor survey.

If you live in South Africa and edit any of the Wiki-projects, please take a few minutes to complete the survey. We want to learn more about you and your experiences in editing the Wiki's!

The survey will run until midnight on 12 June 2015.

Wiki Regards, --Humetheresa (talk) 09:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Announcing the Winners of Wiki from Above[edit]

Saturday, 30th May at the Wild Clover farm in Stellenbosch. It will begin at 10am and go on until around 2pm. Times are flexible. All are welcome, especially if you have an interest in anything Wiki related.

At this event we will also be announcing the winners of the Wiki From Above aerial photographic competition.

Location : Wild Clover Farm, SMAA, Stellenbosch
Directions : from N1 north 1 km past the Engen 1 stop, take the Klipheuwel/ Stellenbosch offramp. Turn right towards Stellenbosch, over the freeway, over a railway bridge and approx. 1.2 kms from the Villiera/ Koelenhof signs on the right-hand side.
Wild Clover Farm phone number : +27 (0)21 865 2248

If you have any questions please feel free to contact Douglas Scott on 079 515 8727.

Wiki Regards --Humetheresa (talk) 09:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The role of Wikipedia in the intellectualisation of the African Languages: Why, what and how?[edit]

Wikipedia changed the world by putting an encyclopaedia within reach of anybody with internet access. Available in over 280 languages, it grows and improves by the hour and has become one of the most well-known and used resources on the Web. However, in spite of the many languages currently represented in Wikipedia, not all of them have thorough and in-depth content to support multilingual education. Moreover, outside of the realm of a human readable online encyclopaedia in multiple languages, the full value of Wikipedia has remained largely hidden to many readers. Today Wikipedia, for example, also provides a building block for many other advanced technologies, especially language technologies.

Through this workshop, the Academy of African Languages and Science (AALS) hopes to play its part in creating an awareness of the significance of Wikipedia as a key educational and language resource through which encyclopaedic information and educational content can be produced and consumed in the African languages.

Our hope is that academics, school teachers, language practitioners, subject experts across many domains, students and any other interested persons will recognise and embrace the opportunities that Wikipedia offers for the development of the African languages. Possible ways of contributing are, for example, by translating articles from other Wikipedias, specifically the English one, or by writing new content in the African languages. Since Wikipedia relies on volunteers for its existence, growth and quality, AALS also offers opportunities for training and support for persons interested in getting involved in the building of the African languages Wikipedias in the future.

The specific aims of this workshop are to

(1) explain what Wikipedia really is and why it is of such strategic significance for sustainable multilingualism;
(2) explore possible ways to identify topics on which to write and to select articles in the English Wikipedia to translate;
(3) provide basic technical information on how to participate and how AALS can assist;
(4) get a glimpse of what it means to be a Wikipedian – examples and lessons learnt.

Invited keynote speaker – Amir Aharoni, Wikimedia Foundation. Amir was born in Moscow and now lives in Jerusalem. He received a B.A. from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Hebrew language and Structural Linguistics, and began studying for an M.A. in Romance studies in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He is a member of the language engineering team of the Wikimedia Foundation, improving the software support for different languages. As a volunteer, he is also a member of Wikimedia Israel and of the Wikimedia Foundation's language committee.

Date: 3 June 2015
Time: 08:30—15:30
Venue: Bamboo Room, Kgorong, Unisa Muckleneuk Campus, Pretoria
Attendance: Free of charge, but registration is essential since the venue has limited seating
RSVP: Ms Motswalle Kanyane, (

--Humetheresa (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Humetheresa Hopefully this will result in sustained action on the Wikipedias in the ten other SA languages. I have made a very small number of contributions to the Afrikaans WP which has only a handfull of regular contributors. (I should try to be more active there but en.WP takes up all my time.) I know the Xhosa WP has been under threat of closure at least twice in recent years, I have no idea about the status of WPs in the rest of the languages. Is there a more apropriate space (on Wikimedia ZA?) where we can discuss this as I'm sure many/most of the regulars here will not be able to attend the event? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
@Dodger67 - Thank you for your feedback. The English and Afrikaans wiki's are currently the highest ranking wiki's in South Africa and smaller language wiki's do face the problem of being shut down or staying very small. Your suggestion of creating a space for discussion on the topic is a very important one and I will attend to this as soon as possible. Kind Regards --Humetheresa (talk) 06:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Cabinets of South Africa[edit]

The current page about History of the Cabinet of South Africa is haphazard and clumsy. Rather than having a single page about all cabinets till date, it is better to classify these cabinets by their leaders as the case is for Template:British ministries and Template:Indian union ministries. Need opinion of this Project's members. -Karan Kamath (talk · contribs)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Karan Kamath (talkcontribs) 12:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Firepool[edit]

Please participate in the discussion. HelenOnline 07:24, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

List of Massacres in South Africa[edit]

On the page 'list of massacres i south africa'

the first entry, "The Mfecane / Difaqane" is a 'red' hyperlink, implying that a page related to this event does not exist.

In fact such a page does exist, and can be found at the hyperlink below:

Can someone please activate the hyperlink accordingly?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

A serious problem is that the nature and extent of the Mfecane is misrepresented in that list. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride!

  • What? Wiki Loves Pride, a campaign to document and photograph LGBT culture and history, including pride events
  • When? June 2015
  • How can you help?
    1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here
    2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Wikipedia articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see examples from last year)
    3.) Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Wikivoyage, etc.)

Or, view or update the current list of Tasks. This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. Visit the group's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome!

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's main talk page.

Thanks, and happy editing!

User:Another Believer and User:OR drohowa

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Another Believer (talkcontribs) 15:49, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

"Cape of Good Hope"[edit]

The usage and primary topic of Cape of Good Hope is currently under discussion at multiple locations, see the multiple conflicting discussions at Talk:Cape of Good Hope (landmark) and Talk:Cape Colony -- (talk) 04:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Topic at the Reference Desk about the creation of the Union of South Africa[edit]

Something for the historians, take a look at WP:Reference desk/Humanities#Unitary USA were a question about why the Union of South Africa was constituted as a unitary state rather than a federation, is being discussed. Please feel free to participate. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia survey results for South Africa[edit]

An infographic summarising some of the results from the Wikimedia survey of South African editors from April to June 2015.

Hello everyone. Over the past few months you might have noticed a banner when you were logged in inviting you to take a survey about Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. You might have even participated in that survey. I thought you might all be interested to see some of the results of that survey that I have compiled into an infographic so as to give us all a slightly better level of insight into the South African Wikipedia (81% of participants edit Wikipedia) community. The survey was conducted by Wikimedia South Africa with the support of the Wikimedia Foundation. --Discott (talk) 15:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot Project[edit]

A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest (if such a copyvio is present). --Lucas559 (talk) 15:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Cape (Town) Philharmonic Orchestra[edit]

Does anyone know if the Cape Philharmonic Orchestra has changed its name to the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra, and if so, when and why? Please comment at Talk:Cape Philharmonic Orchestra#Requested move 3 July 2015. --Deskford (talk) 16:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I believe they are still known as the "Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra." At least thats what their website seems to indicate.--Discott (talk) 06:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


Talk:Greyshirt#Requested_move_20_July_2015 In ictu oculi (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

cf reopened at Talk:Greyshirt (comics) In ictu oculi (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikimania 2015 update[edit]

Wikimania 2015 group photograph
Summary of the current (July 2015) status of Afrikaans Wikipedia.

Hello everyone. I have just arrived back in South Africa and want to give you all an update on how this year's Wikimania (15-19 July). Firstly I want to congratulate Ivan and the rest of the team in Mexico City for organising such a great event. It was smaller than previous Wikimania's but had a heavier Latin influence and was more intimate than the one in London last year. For the first time we had some one from Afrikaans Wikipedia there (User:Oesjaar) which was great! You can read his report on Afrikaans Wikipedia here. I hope we can always have some one from Afrikaans Wikipedia at future events and hopefully also other South African language Wikipedias as well (once they have an active community on their Wikis).

I also hope we can have a more representative group from South Africa attending future Wikimania which is why I want to strongly encourage people to submit scholorship applications to attend Wikimania. Even if you were unsuccessful in the past you are still strongly encouraged to apply. If you want to increase your chances of getting a scholarship then I would suggest getting involved in local chapter activities by volunteering for events or take the initiative by organising Wikipedia related events (meetups, upload marathons, competitions, etc.). Contact the South African chapter of Wikimedia for more information.

Key highlights:

  1. State of the Wiki by Jimmy Wales: focused on media freedom and the right of Wikipedia editors to contribute without the threat of intimidation by the state. Looked at the situation of a Wikipedia editor in Venezuela.
  2. We had a strongly positive response to the infographic (which can be seen above) summarising the results of our survey. We also displayed a graphic summarising the status of Afrikaans Wikipedia.
  3. Libraries: looks like we will be getting more involved with promoting Wikipedia amoungst librarians in the future on behalf of the foundation in South Africa.
  4. Wikipedia in education: learnt about some great projects being done by other chapters encouraging gifted school children to edit Wikipedia.
  5. Videos on Wikipedia: learnt about new and easier ways to upload videos for use on Wikipedia (some thing called "Schnitzel" - I am still learning about it) and got to talk about the Wiki From Above competition we recently did to get aerial shots for use on Wikipedia.--Discott (talk) 04:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

Could someone have a look at Draft:AmaTshatshu? Thanks, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:40, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Help with article[edit]

Hi everyone, on the project page, it is stated that there are many red linked articles for the List of Acts of the Parliament of South Africa. I have decided to start seeing if I can make some headway with these articles.

I have started with the first one, South African Language Practitioners' Council Act, 2014, but I need a lot of help as I am still pretty new to this. For a start I do not know specifically how to fix the referencing so that when a reference is used more than once, it will only be shown once.

I am also not sure to what extent the provisions of the act need to be discussed.

Any help and input of this would be much appreciated. Especially on how I can improve as I want to see us slowly get these acts done, but I want them to still be up to standard articles.

Kind regards, --DSBennie (talk) 01:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Have a look at Repeated citations and Footnotes: using a source more than once --NJR_ZA (talk) 05:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
@DSBennie - have a look at how it looks now. Use the Provelt's "add a reference" function at the bottom of the editing page to create a reference for the reference type you have sourced the information from. Regards Paul Conlinp (talk) 09:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
You will have to add ProveIt as a gadget under Preferences first if you haven't already Gbawden (talk) 09:54, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you everyone, really appreciate the advice and help. The next article I have created is the Military Veterans Act, 2011, would appreciate you guys going over it to fix up any problems or issues, would also appreciate any advice on anywhere I am going wrong content wise. regards, --DSBennie (talk) 22:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Acts of the Parliament of South Africa[edit]

I have been looking through a number of the acts of parliament listed under List_of_Acts_of_the_Parliament_of_South_Africa. While some act are notable deserving of their own articles, many of the acts are not notable enough to extend past being a stub as there is very little information for the act other than the act itself.

What I would like to recommend is that instead of having List of Acts of the Parliament of South Africa, 1910–19, we have a single article for each year, named something on the lines of Acts of the Parliament of South Africa (1910). Within that article we could list the acts passed in that year with a description of the act and information on when it was passed, assented to, repealed or amended ect. Articles of greater importance and notability can be linked to within these articles. That way were are not left with a great number of stubs, but are also not left with an endless list of red linked articles, such as the before mentioned, List of Acts of the Parliament of South Africa, 1910–19

Input and consensus on this proposal would much appreciated. --DSBennie (talk) 00:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The List of Acts of the Parliament of South Africa series was modelled on List of Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom - I'm just saying that to explain that the "long list of red-links" approach wasn't purely my own invention. If you want to write expanded list/articles with more information I'm all for it.
Something else that could be done to reduce red links, is to make sure that where there's an article for a principal act (e.g. Copyright Act, 1978) then the amendment acts (e.g. Copyright Amendment Act, 1992) are redirected to the pricipal act's article. Optimally there should then also be some mention of amendments in the article.
Also, there are some whole series of acts where the individual title could be redirected to a single article describing the context. For example all the Appropriation Acts could be redirected to the appropriation bill article; similarly the annual Division of Revenue Acts. - htonl (User:Htonl) 17:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@Htonl That makes a lot more sense than my suggestion thank you, I will look into what acts should be redirected to others--DSBennie (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey, your idea sounds like a good idea also. It would be a hell of a lot of work to do it completely, though! - htonl (talk) 21:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

{{South African Parliament Party Leaders}}[edit]

template:South African Parliament Party Leaders has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 06:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


See Draft:Boeber. Thank you, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 22:09, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

SA userboxes needed[edit]

South Africa needs more userboxes for it's users, believe me! Some can express themselves by using userboxes. Ras Benjih/RasTalk 08:44, 31 Jul 06:54, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

9th Cape Town meetup[edit]

Hello everyone, this is just everyone in the Cape Town/Western Cape area know that the 9th Cape Town meetup will be happening this Sunday 6th September 2015. Anyone interested in Wiki related stuff including and especially Wikipedia are welcome to join us. I can guarantee free coffee as usual. For more information check out the meetup page on Wikipedia at the link here.

In brief the details are:

  • Time and Date: 11:00-14:00, Sunday 6th Sept
  • Location: Truth Coffee, 36 Buitenkant St, Cape Town 8000, South Africa

Cheers, --Discott (talk) 10:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Parktown North[edit]

Thank-you WikiProject for having a section for our suburb. Please note that the Residents Association has had a change of website and can now be found on and NOT on the link. Thank-you. :) Administrator of the Parktown North Residents Association (PNRA) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:23, 3 September 2015 (UTC)