Talk:Calais Jungle

Wording revision

I removed "where unemployment is much lower than in France", not because it is untrue (it almost certainly is true) but because it implies that this is the motivation for the migration from France to the United Kingdom. [Which may be partly true but I cannot see this in the cited sources and we shouldn't assume this explanation without some kind of reason to do so.] In fact, the cited source mentions another source for local (i.e. Calais - not France) unemployment figures.

In fact it claims:

" A recent hit film here, called Welcome, showed a Calais-based swimming coach helping a Kurdish teenager to train to swim the Channel to Britain - when he invited the desperate young boy home, his neighbors informed the police.

Political dilemma

The film, with its resonances of World War II deportations, caused a political storm.

It managed to portray the huge dilemma of this seaside town. With 14% unemployment, many residents loathe the presence of the refugees while others loathe the fact that in civilized France, men are forced to bathe in waste water from a chemical plant. "

Nonetheless, the article appears to imply (arguably) that the main motivation for many of the migrants is the lack of immigration control in the world of employment which means it is an easier place to work (and therefore a more attractive destination for those hoping to work illegally). In particular, the lack of an ID card system is presented as substantive within the cited source.

Specifically, the cited source says:

" But the French government has also called upon Britain to tighten its controls, warning that migrants still see the British illegal job market as the promised land.

Many of the migrants in the jungle say that with no identity card system, Britain is a much easier place for an illegal immigrant to find work. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mauterongo (talk • contribs) 22:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

One of the problems the French authorities have is that migrants destroy their documentation. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:03, 22 October 2015 (UTC).

Location

As far as I can tell the centre of this google maps image corresponds with the centre of the first image in this daily mail article giving a location of the "new jungle". I wasn't able to place the next two images but the fourth image also seems to fit. There seems to have been some municipal as well as migrant developments since the google images were taken. The markings on the main road correspond as does the structure of the bridge.

http://wikimapia.org/33243763/Calais-Jungle presents a similar result.

As a result I think that we might present 50°58'08.1"N 1°54'14.4"E as coordinates of an area that is or has been occupied. Otherwise consider this as reference.

More confirmation here. GregKaye 20:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

A team of humanitarian OpenStreetMappers mapped out lots of detail of the Calais jungle here on the map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.9694/1.9052 and even more details on this umap: http://u.osmfr.org/m/71247/

We're currently on-the-ground to map the new Dunkirk Grande-Synthe camp, which is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.9944/2.2847

See https://chuffed.org/project/a-map-for-dunkirk

I notice the Dunkirk camp currently isn't detailed much here

-- Harry Wood (talk) 23:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Name

I read a number of articles, and it's not clear to me that "Calais Jungle" applies to one specific camp rather than the whole environment transients find themselves in, indeed that camp might be the "New Calais Jungle". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:16, 9 November 2015 (UTC).

Generally healthy and the Human Relief Foundation citation

I'm not a Wikipedia editor, but can someone review this? HRF seem to have largely disowned the claims reported here: http://www.hrf.org.uk/clarification-on-calais/

I can't comment with certainty as to whether the refugees in the camp(s) are "generally healthy" but suspect HRF should not be cited as holding a position they don't hold. The comment also doesn't seem to add anything to an article that already describes the living conditions thoroughly. 86.140.15.120 (talk) 12:20, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Please Post as Many Pictures as Possible!

This place is being destroyed as I type. Google Earth has apparently been denied recent images by the French government (?) Like these people don't exist at all? Now we have to put them in nice little hypo-allergenic boxes, so nobody will notice or be offended. This is a critical piece of history being wiped from the record. Please research and expand this article! Please post as many pictures as possible of the old Jungle! Thank you.2601:1C0:8400:9EA:DD80:1845:6E5F:2379 (talk) 05:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Migrants or refugees

I noticed someone started replacing the word 'migrants' by 'refugees' throughout the article sneakily. See for example the similar discussion here. Also notice that for this subject, the word 'migrants' is almost exclusively used in media, especially after the camp received negative attention due to riots and crimes in the camp.

Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 08:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

The London Garrigue - for all the swarms of French economic migrants in London

Garrigue being a dry French scrubland good for nowt but destructive summer bushfires, so why doesn't the article explain the meaning of the use of the word: jungle in the context of a migrant camp? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:411:1600:226:8FF:FEDC:FD74 (talk) 20:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Name explanation

I feel the explanation of how the word jungle comes from is unnecessary. The word "Jungle" in general is used in Indo-iranian languages as documented in it's own page. Pashto is an indo-iranian language branch. The Name section feels unnecessary Rosshalz (talk) 10:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree, the name explanation is entirely unconvincing and is being made by a source that is as far from being a RS as you can get. I am going to remove it. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Historic use of: "Calais Garrigue" to signify French annexation of English Flanders (Pale of Calais)

Wonder if the wording "Calais Jungle" was wrought off the older historical wording "Calais Garrigue" said by both the inborn English and Flemish Calais townsfolk in answer to the French annexation of English Flanders (Pale of Calais) and the thereafter swarming in of swarthy French immigrants?

"Garrigue" being semi-tropical low-growing dry scrubby French bushland good for nothing but summer bushfires and seen to symbolically represent the French in the eyes of Germanic folk like the English, Flemish, Germans and Swiss.

FA Status

Using Rater, I get ORES Predicted class: FA for this article and reading it through I wouldn't disagree, I can see how it fits the criteria. Are there any regular editors who would like to collaborate on getting this to be a featured article? Mujinga (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Coronavirus

Hi @2a02:1811:2c2f:f100:b5c5:ffd7:193b:a3eb:. Thanks for the contribution to the page. I hope this is okay, but I'm going to remove you addition about coronavirus. The article here is about the Jungle camp, which was demolished in 2016; this current pandemic isn't something that happened in the Jungle. There is a (necessarily) small section in the article about after the camp was demolished, but the current pandemic isn't something that deserves is own section here. Sorry about that. Perhaps your additions would be better placed in the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in France article. Thanks. --Woofboy (talk) 16:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

"existed"

The lede's seeming premise that the Jungle no longer exists seems a little dubious to me, nor does Final eviction and demolition harmonize with the continuing homeless presence reported in other parts of the article. Sparafucil (talk) 04:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)