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While the first paragraph said that she was the third female captain to die on duty, the two sources given said she was the first. So, I changed it to first. EditorASC (talk) 11:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't question, nor do I care about her 'motivations' for scabbing at EAL. Her name is on the list of pilots that crossed the picket line, and can be verified through ALPA or the 'Jumpseat Protection List', commonly referred to as the Scab List. Is the truth a POV? I can post a link to the PDF of the list if you would like... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.69.112 (talk) 23:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nice try but still POV. Her motivations are speculation, and the reaction is POV. Simply stating that she crossed the picket lines in order to pursue her career (if an acceptable source can be found to support this - not an opinion by another pilot or aviation writer) then that can be stated. But the rest is unencyclopedic and POV. Neither pro nor anti-union POV has any place in the article. Harry was a white dog with black spots (talk) 07:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My sentiments exactly. This is an online encyclopedia, not a forum for pro-union or anti-union rhetoric. Besides, what difference does it make whether she crossed the picket lines or not? It was her career, and she could do whatever she wanted to with it. Also, she was a grown woman and didn't need to be told what to do by anybody. And003 (talk) 13:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't agree more. The fact that she crossed a union picket line, has no relevance whatever as to her being the Captain of the ill-fated ValuJet flight. She was obviously fully qualified to be the Captain and it is obvious that she tried to get the plane back on the ground as fast as possible, once she became aware of an onboard fire. Her professionalism (while acting as a non-union pilot) stands in stark contrast to the AMR union Captain who refused to take seriously the information about a possible cargo hold fire, provided by his flight attendants and a dead-heading pilot. Those who insist upon raising the "SCAB" issue, usually do so because they want to promote the usual union hate propaganda, towards all who dare to refuse to be controlled by the union bosses. That kind of hate propaganda has no part in the pages of Wiki. EditorASC (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the previous editors about POV having no place in Wikipedia, but I believe they missed their own point. While using the term "scab" would indeed be incendiary, the section as written is just as disingenuous. It glosses over and uses flowery prose to minimize the partisan action actually taken by Captain Kubeck. I deleted the prose, "accomplished her dream," and added the fact that her initial employment by Eastern was as a "strikebreaker," with the link to the Wikipedia page of the same name. This is neither incendiary, nor pro- or anti-union. It is encyclopedic fact.
To And003 who wonders "what difference does it make whether she crossed picket lines or not": It matters because it was a factual action taken by the individual, and this is a biographical page of her life and career. You don't get to leave out the parts that can be considered non-complimentary, or might cast her in a negative light to some readers.
To USNPilot - Be that as it may, my point is that people can't go around vandalizing or tampering with Wikipedia articles about a person just because they don't like that person's career decisions, which is what someone did when they replaced Kubeck's actual nickname with the word 'Scab'. If they have a problem with a person's career decisions, there are other places online for them to air out their grievances, or at the very least, put them only on this talk page. And003 (talk) 00:59, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To EditorASC who believes that "the fact that she crossed a picket line" should have "no relevance whatever as to her being the Captain of the ill-fated ValuJet flight": On this, I agree with you. The page about the ValuJet flight/crash needn't contain this information. However, this is NOT an article about that flight; instead it is a biographical article about HER. It is indeed appropriate on this page, as it was an action that shaped her career. USNPilot (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
